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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby bubble » Thu May 08, 2008 9:45 am

Trinket wrote:
Alpine Aster wrote:Trinket:
The incinerator--no human remains there, because one bone is always left after human cremation and dogs can still find them
Aster:
One bone is always left after Human Cremation? you said , yes hip joints metal yes but how can one bone always be left?.


There is this one bone that doesn't seem to burn up. I've seen photos of it before. It's got a distinctive shape.
I recently saw one on television here in the US that came from an urn that washed up in a creek and was recovered by police. They took it to an undertaker and he identified the bone, fishing it out of the ashes with long tweezers and said it was a human. He also fished out a necklace and declared it was most likely a woman who was cremated, based on the weight of the burned chain--it was delicate, burnt chain.
They also found staples--most likely from recent surgery,
They never found who dumped the urn, but they gave it a proper burial at the end of the show
I've heard since then, from another source, that there is always that one bone that doesn't burn.
Isn't THAT interesting!
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As far as I'm aware, and I'm no specialist in the field, there are often bones left after the body is removed from the furnace. The hip bone in particular is often left since it is a big bone and takes longer to burn.

The remains are then put in a separate machine to be ground down into ashes.

Do you mean that the bone is left after this phase?
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby margaret » Thu May 08, 2008 9:45 am

Alpine Aster wrote:
Trinket wrote:
Alpine Aster wrote:Trinket:
The incinerator--no human remains there, because one bone is always left after human cremation and dogs can still find them
Aster:
One bone is always left after Human Cremation? you said , yes hip joints metal yes but how can one bone always be left?.


There is this one bone that doesn't seem to burn up. I've seen photos of it before. It's got a distinctive shape.
I recently saw one on television here in the US that came from an urn that washed up in a creek and was recovered by police. They took it to an undertaker and he identified the bone, fishing it out of the ashes with long tweezers and said it was a human. He also fished out a necklace and declared it was most likely a woman who was cremated, based on the weight of the burned chain--it was delicate, burnt chain.
They also found staples--most likely from recent surgery,
They never found who dumped the urn, but they gave it a proper burial at the end of the show
I've heard since then, from another source, that there is always that one bone that doesn't burn.
Isn't THAT interesting!
:alien:


Yes it is, thanks for your reply I learn something new everyday.


The hip bone is one - the ball part is VERY hard. Which is why ashes when cooled, have to go in a machine called a crembulator to grind them down after being in the furnace.
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby bubble » Thu May 08, 2008 9:47 am

Snap Margaret :D
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby margaret » Thu May 08, 2008 9:50 am

bubble wrote: As far as I'm aware, and I'm no specialist in the field, there are often bones left after the body is removed from the furnace. The hip bone in particular is often left since it is a big bone and takes longer to burn.

The remains are then put in a separate machine to be ground down into ashes.

Do you mean that the bone is left after this phase?



Snap bubble! :mrgreen: Just wanted to clarify your post. Once the cremation phase is finished a trap door is opened and the ashes and remaining hard bones (hip bones sometimes a part of the thigh) drop down into another part to cool down, the cremator door is opened and anything remaining is raked down into that also. The 'body' as such does not exist and cremation ashes are NOT mixed up.
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby pakeha2007 » Thu May 08, 2008 9:51 am

Crembulator?
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby bubble » Thu May 08, 2008 9:56 am

margaret wrote:
bubble wrote: As far as I'm aware, and I'm no specialist in the field, there are often bones left after the body is removed from the furnace. The hip bone in particular is often left since it is a big bone and takes longer to burn.

The remains are then put in a separate machine to be ground down into ashes.

Do you mean that the bone is left after this phase?



Snap bubble! :mrgreen: Just wanted to clarify your post. Once the cremation phase is finished a trap door is opened and the ashes and remaining hard bones (hip bones sometimes a part of the thigh) drop down into another part to cool down, the cremator door is opened and anything remaining is raked down into that also. The 'body' as such does not exist and cremation ashes are NOT mixed up.


Thanks, I didn't know about the trap door! I think I used the wrong word with "body", so I probably have confused everyone. :)
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby margaret » Thu May 08, 2008 9:56 am

pakeha2007 wrote:Crembulator?


Oops cremulator.

You can see here for more detail and pictures. http://www.cremate-me.net/ashdisp2.php

You can also make an appointment to go round your local crematorium as they are council buildings and 'open' to the public.
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby cushty » Thu May 08, 2008 9:56 am

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Indiansummer wrote:Just another question:
The reward is only suspended for the safe return of the girl? Right?
Not for references to the discovery of the presumably dead girl. Or what was really happened with the child?

It is for the return of the child and the arrest and conviction of the people reponsible.


this fact is, I believe, highly significant

it is customary to offer a reward for evidence leading to the conviction of the person responsible for the crime, which would be the (imaginary) abductor

yet it is only offered for the safe return of M, which allows the money raising and employment of Metodo to continue unabated

if the parents were genuine, they would want any information, not just information about a living child
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby margaret » Thu May 08, 2008 10:00 am

I should add that page isn't like the furnaces l've seen, can't see a trap door . I keep looking...
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby mickey1 » Thu May 08, 2008 10:03 am

Tylersmum you are making a lot of sense today well done.

I have posted a question on the 'legal aspects' thread re phone intercepts, perhaps you would be kind enough to take a look at it for me?
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby bubble » Thu May 08, 2008 10:08 am

mickey1 wrote:Tylersmum you are making a lot of sense today well done.

I have posted a question on the 'legal aspects' thread re phone intercepts, perhaps you would be kind enough to take a look at it for me?
Thanks
Mickey


I agree. I apologise for being rude to you Tylersmum yesterday. I have no excuse, except for fighting my teenager over revision, which made me irritable (anyone with a teenager has been there lol).

Sorry.
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby Coldwater » Thu May 08, 2008 10:11 am

Just to let you know I've started a new - Case of Today thread - as this one has become a beast.

Hopefully it will be archived soon.
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Re: The case of today by Coldwater MK II

Postby mickey1 » Thu May 08, 2008 10:13 am

Thanks CW

Keep it coming :bigsmurf:
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