Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

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Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby Keesha » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:40 am

I am posting 2 x pool rim pics 26 Sep ..sent to my personal email as attachments..but I don't know how to transfer attachments to 3A except by photobucket..pls p.m. Stevo (search 3A) if you want to request your own email..the attachments are better quality than my photobucket...Stevo didn't have sources but said these 2 x pics were in public domain

Acknowledgement for 2x pool rim pics to stressedoutmother if they are yours

Pool rim 26 Sep 07 ..NOTE..time of day different and angle higher than last photo

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... 226sep.jpg

Tile
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... m26sep.jpg

Stevo rim shadow
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... shadow.jpg

Keesha collation....do your own for a better version
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... tion-1.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... olrim2.jpg

Stevo
With the hi-res version of Madeleine superimposed on top:
http://www.truthformadeleine.com/pics/p ... Maddie.jpg

Uncropped repubblica version
http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/galler ... 27_big.jpg

Aerial shot showing palm and umbrellas
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/0909_maddie2.shtml
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby vancouver1 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:10 am

Keesha wrote:I am posting 2 x pool rim pics 26 Sep ..sent to my personal email as attachments..but I don't know how to transfer attachments to 3A except by photobucket..pls p.m. Stevo (search 3A) if you want to request your own email..the attachments are better quality than my photobucket...Stevo didn't have sources but said these 2 x pics were in public domain

Acknowledgement for 2x pool rim pics to stressedoutmother if they are yours

Pool rim 26 Sep 07 ..NOTE..time of day different and angle higher than last photo

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... 226sep.jpg

Tile
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... m26sep.jpg

Stevo rim shadow
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... shadow.jpg

Keesha collation....do your own for a better version
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... tion-1.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... olrim2.jpg

Stevo
With the hi-res version of Madeleine superimposed on top:
http://www.truthformadeleine.com/pics/p ... Maddie.jpg

Uncropped repubblica version
http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/galler ... 27_big.jpg

Aerial shot showing palm and umbrellas
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/0909_maddie2.shtml



Thanks Keesha. Yes those were the pool rim photos I was talking about.

I like this one:
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... olrim2.jpg

It really does give you a good sense of where everyone was located.
And as we can see, the black and white object behind Amelie is nowhere near the pool depth indicator :)
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby Keesha » Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:14 am

vancouver1 wrote:
Thanks Keesha. Yes those were the pool rim photos I was talking about.

I like this one:
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... olrim2.jpg

It really does give you a good sense of where everyone was located.
And as we can see, the black and white object behind Amelie is nowhere near the pool depth indicator :)

Very roughly done (by me..not Stevo..)..the umbrellas don't match up...but ..I don't think that tile is behind Amelie
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby Magali » Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:33 pm

Keesha wrote:
vancouver1 wrote:
Thanks Keesha. Yes those were the pool rim photos I was talking about.

I like this one:
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg89 ... olrim2.jpg

It really does give you a good sense of where everyone was located.
And as we can see, the black and white object behind Amelie is nowhere near the pool depth indicator :)

Very roughly done (by me..not Stevo..)..the umbrellas don't match up...but ..I don't think that tile is behind Amelie



Indeed! Referring to what was said, on Gestalt's thread, thanx for having posted these good references Keesha, because I can't see any BLACK line anywhere,either,that could have been behind Amelie.

Presence of anomalies:
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    Maddy's shadows not matching the other shadows in intensity, and one of her "fly away" strand of hair 's shadow flies away too, whereas it should be vertical

    past flowery t-shirt-top PRINT that was forgotten and still appears onto Maddy's SKIN (top left shoulder and left of V neck

    the black line behind Amelie (unless other explanation)

    the time given (wrong,see shadows)

    3 versions given of this pic (Maddy alone,2,and Maddy with G&A)

    blurred areas (Vancouver can point out which ones she's showed on "Maddy's strange growth..." sticky on this Reference forum, HAIR)

    as Keesha notices, the big pool-umbrella 's shadow needs re-examining,not the same shape as on the Rim-only photo---may I ask where the rim photo comes from?

    as Stevo notices, the rim shadow is exaggerated-I get dilemnas about it though-is it the same tree?white wall behind the tree--sorry I need to compare this again

    the time it took the MC to give this pic,,,after Gerry did a trip to England to fetch the family albums...

    ...list to be completed & discussed...


Excellent thread Keesha! :D :) :D
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby Stevo » Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:59 pm

If the photos do prove useful to the PJ then May 3 is looming and in a few weeks they'll be able to exactly re-create the entire scene with the sun in the right place. It'll be interesting to note if they do this.

The more I look at the pink top Amelie is wearing in mid-May, it does look as if it could be a reversible two-tone top she's wearing - pink on one side and orange on the other. The ends of the arms look two tone.

If so, then there's a few photos of GM wearing the pool clothes and with Amelie in pink around this time. AND he's wearing sunglasses too as in this:

http://truthformadeleine.com/pics/gerry ... lothes.jpg
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby vancouver1 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:11 pm

Stevo wrote:If the photos do prove useful to the PJ then May 3 is looming and in a few weeks they'll be able to exactly re-create the entire scene with the sun in the right place. It'll be interesting to note if they do this.

The more I look at the pink top Amelie is wearing in mid-May, it does look as if it could be a reversible two-tone top she's wearing - pink on one side and orange on the other. The ends of the arms look two tone.

If so, then there's a few photos of GM wearing the pool clothes and with Amelie in pink around this time. AND he's wearing sunglasses too as in this:

http://truthformadeleine.com/pics/gerry ... lothes.jpg


Good point about the t-shirt being reversible - I've noticed that the frills on the ends of the arms are pinky coloured, too, even though the t-shirt is orange.
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby Magali » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:34 pm

Very good thought of Stevo about the 3rd May 08, hope any staff from the Ocean Club can read this and take a photo at 2:29 pm,of this precise location, 14:29, exactly, then we'd get a GOOD comparison, as you think Stevo,surely PJ is considering it too?

Do you have a press link or a gallery date for the other photo please?(Gerry same clothes,walking with family)

your link from your site:
http://truthformadeleine.com/pics/gerry ... lothes.jpg

Congratulations for your Site, btw, it's been SO useful, :D :) :D
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby Magali » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:45 pm

Vancover and Stevo,you could well be right about the pink/orange t-shirt of Amelie being reversible: when looking at Stevo's pic (G&K with S&A walking...towards...the creche?!), Amelie's same t-shirt but PINK shows tints of ORANGE near neck and trims!

Oh don't tell me they would have the CHEEK to show pics of...the SAME DAY... :!: :x :!: ...it could well explain: Maddy ALONE on 2 versions of this pool "last" photo, then photoshopped onto the one of G&A, and the difference of FACE EXPRESSIONS...G& A being DOWN and certainly not in a mood for photos then, because...perhaps...Madeleine would have ALREADY GONE!


MY .

(I'd always thought of that from the first time I saw that pool "last" pic on TV!)
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby Stevo » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:31 pm

Magali wrote:Very good thought of Stevo about the 3rd May 08, hope any staff from the Ocean Club can read this and take a photo at 2:29 pm,of this precise location, 14:29, exactly, then we'd get a GOOD comparison, as you think Stevo,surely PJ is considering it too?

Do you have a press link or a gallery date for the other photo please?(Gerry same clothes,walking with family)

your link from your site:
http://truthformadeleine.com/pics/gerry ... lothes.jpg

Congratulations for your Site, btw, it's been SO useful, :D :) :D


Thank you Magali. I need to update my site as there's a lot of new stuff I have but I'm pleased it's been useful to a lot of people.

To answer your questions about the photo of Gerry in pool clothes. I can answer this in detail:

Date: 5/12/2007
City: Praia da Luz
Country: Portugal
Credit: PA Wire
Source: PA Wire
Author: Steve Parsons
Headline: Girl missing in Algarve
Special Instructions: Subsequent to the release of this image, the parents of Madeleine McCann have requested that the identity of their other children Sean and Amelie be protected.
Transmission Reference: pa-news-20070512-165801-police-p

Gerry McCann with his daughter Amelie and Kate McCann with son Sean as they arrive back at their apartment in Praia Da Luz, Portugal, on the fourth birthday of their missing daughter Madeleine McCann who went missing on the evening of Thursday May 3.
Picture date: Saturday May 12, 2007. Madeleine's parents marked their daughter's fourth birthday today with a simple plea: "Please keep looking, please keep praying." See PA story POLICE Portugal. Photo credit should read: Steve Parsons/PA Wire
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby carovil » Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:46 pm

I posted a few times to The Author on the mirror forum about those pool pics. I use photoshop extensively and the two things which were really odd to me were the black line behind Amelie (which doesn't match) and the edge of the pool which if you look is not in line with Gerry's thumb. The pool rim is deeper and out of line. Link is: ImageThere can be absolutely no doubt about this. I don't post often, but I am really sure about this.

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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby Magali » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:21 pm

Keesha and Vancouver1, I have referred your threads on "Maddy's PHOTOS", thread by Kcr1 on Justice forum.

See you later.
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby Magali » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:32 pm

Stevo wrote:
Magali wrote:Very good thought of Stevo about the 3rd May 08, hope any staff from the Ocean Club can read this and take a photo at 2:29 pm,of this precise location, 14:29, exactly, then we'd get a GOOD comparison, as you think Stevo,surely PJ is considering it too?

Do you have a press link or a gallery date for the other photo please?(Gerry same clothes,walking with family)

your link from your site:
http://truthformadeleine.com/pics/gerry ... lothes.jpg

Congratulations for your Site, btw, it's been SO useful, :D :) :D


Thank you Magali. I need to update my site as there's a lot of new stuff I have but I'm pleased it's been useful to a lot of people.

To answer your questions about the photo of Gerry in pool clothes. I can answer this in detail:

Date: 5/12/2007
City: Praia da Luz
Country: Portugal
Credit: PA Wire
Source: PA Wire
Author: Steve Parsons
Headline: Girl missing in Algarve
Special Instructions: Subsequent to the release of this image, the parents of Madeleine McCann have requested that the identity of their other children Sean and Amelie be protected.
Transmission Reference: pa-news-20070512-165801-police-p

Gerry McCann with his daughter Amelie and Kate McCann with son Sean as they arrive back at their apartment in Praia Da Luz, Portugal, on the fourth birthday of their missing daughter Madeleine McCann who went missing on the evening of Thursday May 3.
Picture date: Saturday May 12, 2007. Madeleine's parents marked their daughter's fourth birthday today with a simple plea: "Please keep looking, please keep praying." See PA story POLICE Portugal. Photo credit should read: Steve Parsons/PA Wire



Thank You!

Hope you give us a sign when it's done, on this thread and on "Maddy strange growth ...and copyrights2006", here on Reference & Investigation forum, I have put landmarks of the thread (sum ups ,photo-listings...) ,repeated on page 204 there to make it easier.

So THIS pic would be of 12th May...with the same clothing,perhaps for Amelie too, as on supposedly the 3rd of May...
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby vancouver1 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:40 pm

carovil wrote:I posted a few times to The Author on the mirror forum about those pool pics. I use photoshop extensively and the two things which were really odd to me were the black line behind Amelie (which doesn't match) and the edge of the pool which if you look is not in line with Gerry's thumb. The pool rim is deeper and out of line. Link is: ImageThere can be absolutely no doubt about this. I don't post often, but I am really sure about this.

Caroline


Hi Caroline
That black and white thing behind Amelie has me stumped too. I will look closer at the pool rim and Gerry's thumb when I get home from work. it's very frustrating when there are high res versions of parts of the photo, but not the whole photo!
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby Stevo » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:43 am

carovil

I detailed a ton of faults with the pool picture on my site: http://www.truthformadeleine.com

The lack of shading under the thumb is very noticeable.

vancouver1

Notice Amelie wearing Madeleine's tennis shorts in the May 12 pictures. Also look at the pink top and you can make out a tiny flower emblem on the breast bone position. Interestingly this is on her orange shirt by the pool. So, I think if someone can establish if this is a reversible shirt, it could well be a candidate for a staged photo on May 12. Gerry's garb is an exact match as it is.
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Re: Pool Rim reference pics 26 Sep 07

Postby vancouver1 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:28 am

Thanks everyone. Here's something interesting.

On the Exposay site there are photos of Gerry, Kate and the twins on May 12, returning home.

http://www.exposay.com/parents-of-missi ... v/13735/3/

Gerry's wearing pool clothes, and has sunglasses perched on top of his head.
Amelie's wearing pink pool top, but no sign of the floppy pink hat.

If you go to May 18 photos, Gerry is again wearing pool clothes and sunglasses, and additionally he's carrying a bag. Amelie is wearing a white t-shirt in all of the photos except ONE. In one photo, she is wearing the pink pool top and the floppy hat, and Kate is taking her INSIDE the OC complex through the reception area.

If all of these photos were taken on the same day, it looks like Amelie has changed her top... and if they're going into the OC complex, could these be the minutes before the Last Photo was shot? Kate is wearing the same clothes in all of the photos:

http://www.exposay.com/parents-of-missi ... 7/v/13750/

The photo where Amelie is in the pink top and floppy hat is Photo 9 of the sequence.
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Edited to add - there's a wider photo showing Kate and Gerry and both twins going into the OC complex:
http://www.exposay.com/missing-british- ... v/10561/6/
It''s photo 12 - the last one on that page.
And another one - it's photo 1 on this page:
http://www.exposay.com/missing-british- ... v/10561/7/

Also note - in the rest of the photos where Amelie is wearing the white t-shirt, Gerry is wearing socks and running shoes. He's switched to sandals when they go into the OC complex... which makes sense if they're going to be around the pool...
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