The definitive Last Photo Thread

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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby vancouver1 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:15 pm

I do remember it and there is a pool depth indicator in the general vicinity. The photo is at home on my computer so I'll post it and reference it when I get home from work. The depth indicator is not as high as indicated in the "last photo" - it's flatter and almost flush with the pool apron - and it's also in a different place from where Amelie is sitting. It's further back from the edge of the pool.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby gestalt » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:35 pm

Sorry guys - can we leave the discussion until I have a full list of points please. The idea being we can discuss one by one.

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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Magali » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:30 pm

shesaidwhat wrote:
Magali wrote:
#10 You say, "Pool edge transition"...but this is largely shown up in blogs as a PS anomaly.Why the BLACK line behind the white line (if the white line is a piece of the pool edge) ?


Magali, have seen a while ago, and off the top of my head I beleive it may be been on the Mirror Forum, a photograph that someone had taken on a trip, that the black line was the border of the depth indication of the pool on a printed tile inset. (i guess there is one at each end and maybe one somewhere in the middle)

Maybe someone else remembers this?


Thank you!

I don't know if Gestalt has included this in the list, the evidence of photoshopping that Vancover1 pointed to when repeating a post from ex-MF-Maddy forum, traces of a flowery pink tee-shirt/top that a close-up reveals on Madeleine's skin.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby I_Should_Coco » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:37 pm

I believe I have a date for the Snow White outfit pic ... 31st March or 1st April 2007.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby hakluyt » Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:00 pm

A criminal profiler's view of the Last Photo debate

I have to admire the effort to consider this possibility and the effort put out to analyze all the details of the photo and question some of the elements. It is always good to be curious enough to delve into an aspect of a case and see if there could be any clues there.

In this case, I would have to say the explanations of the photo being a fake are not strong enough for me to believe that Maddie's death/disappearance occurred earlier than 6 PM in the evening....


http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2 ... -last.html
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Stevo » Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:13 pm

hakluyt wrote:A criminal profiler's view of the Last Photo debate

I have to admire the effort to consider this possibility and the effort put out to analyze all the details of the photo and question some of the elements. It is always good to be curious enough to delve into an aspect of a case and see if there could be any clues there.

In this case, I would have to say the explanations of the photo being a fake are not strong enough for me to believe that Maddie's death/disappearance occurred earlier than 6 PM in the evening....


http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2 ... -last.html

Pat Brown often appears on TV out here in the US to make comments as an independent analyst on newsworthy cases. After the McCanns were made arguido - a time when arguably the case reached its crescendo - Pat Brown appeared in many Internet forums and blogs casting her opinions about this case. Your link to her comments about the last photo are a case in point - look at the date. It was made in November.

Pat went off the boil on this case because it wasn't being rapidly brought to a conclusion and no doubt she has other cases to deal with. She seems to be the equivalent of Mark Williams-Thomas in the UK. At first I thought Pat Brown was a credible expert but I've seen her on TV with other cases and she seems little more than someone they bring in to the studio to debate a case. We can all do that can't we?

It's the exact same thing here right now with another case that peaked months ago - the case of Drew Peterson, the ex-cop who's wife mysteriously disappeared. When the case peaks, it's on the news 24/7 but nowadays, the Peterson story has abated somewhat. I find the criminal profilers seem to fade away as the news does.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Stevo » Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:16 pm

Gestalt

In your latest editing, you don't have point 20 listed.

Also - add this. Where is Madeleine's neck? Her head seems stuck on.

And...you have a point (13) which says "pool edge". By this do you mean the lack of any shading under Gerry's wrist/thumb/thigh? He seems to be hovering.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby hakluyt » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:43 pm

Stevo wrote:
hakluyt wrote:A criminal profiler's view of the Last Photo debate

I have to admire the effort to consider this possibility and the effort put out to analyze all the details of the photo and question some of the elements. It is always good to be curious enough to delve into an aspect of a case and see if there could be any clues there.

In this case, I would have to say the explanations of the photo being a fake are not strong enough for me to believe that Maddie's death/disappearance occurred earlier than 6 PM in the evening....


http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2 ... -last.html

Pat Brown often appears on TV out here in the US to make comments as an independent analyst on newsworthy cases. After the McCanns were made arguido - a time when arguably the case reached its crescendo - Pat Brown appeared in many Internet forums and blogs casting her opinions about this case. Your link to her comments about the last photo are a case in point - look at the date. It was made in November.

Pat went off the boil on this case because it wasn't being rapidly brought to a conclusion and no doubt she has other cases to deal with. She seems to be the equivalent of Mark Williams-Thomas in the UK. At first I thought Pat Brown was a credible expert but I've seen her on TV with other cases and she seems little more than someone they bring in to the studio to debate a case. We can all do that can't we?

It's the exact same thing here right now with another case that peaked months ago - the case of Drew Peterson, the ex-cop who's wife mysteriously disappeared. When the case peaks, it's on the news 24/7 but nowadays, the Peterson story has abated somewhat. I find the criminal profilers seem to fade away as the news does.

I realise it's from November, it's an old bookmark from when the photo was being debated in MF, and of course the issue was very much 'on the boil'. No particular reason why she should keep up with the case I agree.

But I disagree that she's just a media pundit:
'Through The Sexual Homicide Exchange, Pat has developed CAPTURE (Coalition for Apprehending Predators Through Utilizing Resources Effectively), a serial homicide investigation methodology and training program for law enforcement. Since 1996, SHE has offered profiling and investigative services at no charge to law enforcement The Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency provides crime scene analysis and behavioral profiling to prosecutors, defense attorneys, media, and international clients. '

She has far more experience than any of us when it comes to looking at circumstantial evidence (she says nothing about photoshop, angles of shadow etc.). Take the question of Madeleine's hat and outfit being different colours, which is a circumstantial clue to some people that the photo is shopped. But here's Pat Brown's view:

The most telling clue in this photo that tends to go against the possibility of any forgery is in the clothing of Madeleine and Amelie. Take Maddie out of the picture and what you have is a little girl dressed in a horribly clashing outfit; an orange play suit and a fancy pink hat. Mothers do not tend to put such an outfit on their children and let them out of the house that way (especially a mother who is as fashion conscious as Kate). Maddie's white hat would look better with her clothing.

The sportier white hat on Madeleine's head does not clash with her girlier pink dress-like outfit, but that pink hat on Amelie's head would go with it better. Put the two girls together on an outing and my guess is they started off with the better matching hat, and through play, the girls ended up with the other's hat on their heads.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby chronictonic » Tue May 20, 2008 1:56 am

why wasnt the hair bead ever mentioned; like her dimples were ignored as well.....that bead in her hair, I'm sure she died with it in; I've always thought so.....Just my 2c
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby meander » Sat May 24, 2008 2:57 pm

I was wondering if the purpose of Kate maybe saying that the bead was carefully removed from the hair, was to possibly reinforce the supposedly last photo. Sorry if thats already been covered.
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