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The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby gestalt » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:42 pm

Oh no not another one :roll: :roll: :arrow: but you never know, this may be the last :shock: .
Arguments over photographs released into PD have raged throughout the months and once again members in another thread have needed warning to play nice. It seems these arguments were fueled if not started by theAuthor's infamous "Last Photo" thread on MF and there seems no end to the discussion. To this end, this thread will attempt firstly to collect all possible discrepancies that members have seen or have been reported about this intriguing photograph. Perhaps if we can all restrain ourselves from giving opinion until an encapsulating description can be put together we could put these theories to the test, one by one, and then perhaps we can stop talking about the same old photographs.

Thanks for the contributions so far; however, the list below is a starting point. Please, at this stage simply add further points if they do not appear in the OP. I will be editing this post as more discrepancies are reported.
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1 Nose shadow (linked with 16)
2 Gerry's tan
3 Sunglasses reflection
4 Lounger thickness
5 Shadow on tree
6 Overlay of Madeleine's features
7 Pattern in shadow
8 Overlay of Madeleine
9 Hair bead
10 Pool edge transition
11 Overlay of Amelie
12 Missing arm
13 Pool edge
14 Overlay of Gerry
15 Gerrys arms
16 Shadow on chest
17 Shadows throughout photograph
18 Hat discrepancies
19 Marks on lips
20 Mark on forehead/temple
21 Madeleine legs in concrete
22 Madeleine's neck.

Edits:
25Mar 21:30 Initial post 17 items
31Mar 15:16 18,19,20
09Apr 12:54 21
13Apr 22:37 22 (retyped 20)
Last edited by gestalt on Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:37 pm, edited 7 times in total.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby IRONSIDE » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:11 am

I have a problem with this last photo,why,is it the last photo..??
According to the mccanns,madeleine was in the creche the afternoon of the third..That afternoon according to O'Donnell all the children from the creche went to play tennis,she said some of the parents were there,they took photo's,madeleine must have been there.They all looked the sam blonde and pink...

Question 1....If the mccanns had been there,O'Donnell would have said so.

Question 2...If Madeleine was there where were the mccanns,surely they would have gone to watch madeleine at the tennis court,other parents did.

Question 3...If madeleine was not there that afternoon,where was she?

Question 4...I will have to do a search,,but I remember kates mother saying madeleine had her first tennis lesson that afternoon

Question 5....Why has this afternoon of tennis not been mentioned by the mccanns

question 6...Even if mccanns were not there and madeleine was,there must be one member of the family of children that were at the tennis court that afternoon ,who have a photo of madeleine.Even if she was only in the back ground....

Question 7....Why has no one produced a snap of madeleine for that afternoon....

Question 8...The now famous tennis court shot,when was this taken?

Question9...In this photo madeleine looks sun kissed ,but does appear to have several bruises...

Question 10....In the last photo,that we are told is of madeleine she looks pale,no sun kissed look and not a mark on her skin...I do not know if the photograph has been tampered with,That is right out of my depth.However I think I have put forward some valid points and would appreciate someone helping me out here. As this has always been a puzzle to me..

Last photo should have been the tennis court,much later in the afternoon....what happened?

If madeleine was not there,then where was she?????
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Meadow » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:55 am

Many thanks Gestalt, I remember the tread well on MF and your contributions.

I to, if you remember drew the 'shadow' lines. But I really couldnt decide what it meant.

But I would say

10>> pool edge, without full knowledge of seeing the spot where the picture was taken - THIS DOES SEEM OUT OF PLACE.
12>> the arm is there, as it helping to balance the child, in fact both are sat in the same posture, the arms are behind the children
13>> hand\fingers are tucked to the underside ledge of the pool, I see no abnormality there

From the image I worked on, I thought if anything the shadows cast on Madeleines image were in a different direction.

I would swear on a stack of bibles I DID SEE THE ORIGINAL time dated photo which was released - and discussed it either with a poster called Lynne or Jackie. But that does not verify it being authentic.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j82/m ... angles.gif

Look forward to reviewing the thread again. But I basically came to the conclusion that the imagine is real, but no one really knows if the time on it ever was. But I'm sure by now the PJ have reviewed all the images taken on the camera or mobile, of the holiday for comparison. Well we hope.

Inconsideration of Madeleine clothes at the poolside. The children are not wet, do not appear as they have been or going in the water. If this was a break between the am & pm kids club session, the clothes Madeleine had on Tshirt & shorts with a handful of tennis b*lls was the afternoon also, or the playful photograph with layers of clothes \ long jogger bottoms. Why are the clothes so different & hats. It would seem illogical to change the clothes for a dangle of the feet in the pool if it was just between am & pm sessions. Just a removal of the bottoms would have been sufficient.

Reply to Ironside. The strangest thing about Madeleines life particularly that last day are not spoken about, never written about, not really ever mentioned. Because all emphasis on timeline was 8.30 -10. It would be supposed that it has now been investigated and some part of the round two questions will open up aspects of the time line. Information only ever seemed to be LEAKED via ''sources'' when questions asked: the bead? who last saw Madeleine, etc.

Perhaps one day, we really will get to know about the last 24 hours of Madeleines life, but for the moment nothing has ever been mentioned by the McCanns, other than Madeleine said it was the ''best holiday or day.. or something she had every had'' The secrecy built around Madeleine are on par with the secrecy of her disappearance, they are NOT one of the same.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby mermaid » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:32 am

I know this sounds really thick, but even the hats on the two girls look weird. I know I would have looked at them and thought that the hat Amelie was wearing would have been more appropriate on Madeleine.
The one thing that jumped out at me about this photo when I first saw it was Gerry's sunglasses which do look "stuck on"
Am also not wholly convinced by Tennis picture since Madeleine appears to be dressed entirely in an outfit that was later on Amelie, kind of looks awkward as well "crouched almost". :?
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Snivelling Mole » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:39 pm

i have a problem with the shadows on the lounger just looking at the photo in the OP. they look too 'blocky' imho'.

too purposefull and seem to contain one colour alone as opposed to varying degrees of 'grey' which i assume a shadow would do.

however i dont have the tools to view the gradients (is that the right word) of grey in the picture.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby wizard » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:04 pm

IRONSIDE wrote:I have a problem with this last photo,why,is it the last photo..??
According to the mccanns,madeleine was in the creche the afternoon of the third..That afternoon according to O'Donnell all the children from the creche went to play tennis,she said some of the parents were there,they took photo's,madeleine must have been there.They all looked the sam blonde and pink...

Question 1....If the mccanns had been there,O'Donnell would have said so.

Question 2...If Madeleine was there where were the mccanns,surely they would have gone to watch madeleine at the tennis court,other parents did.

Question 3...If madeleine was not there that afternoon,where was she?

Question 4...I will have to do a search,,but I remember kates mother saying madeleine had her first tennis lesson that afternoon

Question 5....Why has this afternoon of tennis not been mentioned by the mccanns

question 6...Even if mccanns were not there and madeleine was,there must be one member of the family of children that were at the tennis court that afternoon ,who have a photo of madeleine.Even if she was only in the back ground....

Question 7....Why has no one produced a snap of madeleine for that afternoon....

Question 8...The now famous tennis court shot,when was this taken?

Question9...In this photo madeleine looks sun kissed ,but does appear to have several bruises...

Question 10....In the last photo,that we are told is of madeleine she looks pale,no sun kissed look and not a mark on her skin...I do not know if the photograph has been tampered with,That is right out of my depth.However I think I have put forward some valid points and would appreciate someone helping me out here. As this has always been a puzzle to me..

Last photo should have been the tennis court,much later in the afternoon....what happened?

If madeleine was not there,then where was she?????


[color=#4000FF][Hi Ironside, Kate mentioned Madeleine had her first tennis lesson on 3rd May. She mentioned this rather belatedly in either the Woman's Hour interview or the Vanity Fair interview. She says when she tucked Madeleine in bed on the night of 3rd May, her daughter said "It was the best day ever" this Kate explained was because of the tennis lesson.

Believable?
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Snivelling Mole » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:06 pm

ok this is, as all my images, from now on are, taken froma zoom in Irfanview and then cut to 'paint' and uploaded to photobucet.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/A ... ob/ps1.jpg

this is zoomed to 'zoom 16805x12604' and is of the strange black line on the poolside between amelie and madeleine.

and this is the same pic zoomed to 'zoom 3095x2321'

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/A ... ob/ps2.jpg

the black 'thing' is definately odd as is ameleies arm that is missing. even i thought perhaps it was behind her but at this close it seems extremely odd.


they should be viewable on the links provided. cant post them as images are too large and dont want to play with them
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Snivelling Mole » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:22 pm

this shows the image of what i find odd about the blocky grey colour shadow on the sunlounger

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/A ... ob/ps3.jpg

zoomed at irfanview 'zoom 5700x4275'

notice all one colour grey block which i personally find odd for a shadow which i will come to in a moment....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/A ... ob/ps4.jpg

shows the shadows on gerry and amelie on a irfanview 'zoom 8345x4384'

not one solid block but differing shades of the same shadow
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Meadow » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:28 pm

Much debate on the original thread, which you may have read on MF. But I think there was general opinion that the reflection from the water, would have caused diversity in the shadows generally.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Snivelling Mole » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:04 pm

mermaid wrote:I know this sounds really thick, but even the hats on the two girls look weird. I know I would have looked at them and thought that the hat Amelie was wearing would have been more appropriate on Madeleine.
The one thing that jumped out at me about this photo when I first saw it was Gerry's sunglasses which do look "stuck on"
Am also not wholly convinced by Tennis picture since Madeleine appears to be dressed entirely in an outfit that was later on Amelie, kind of looks awkward as well "crouched almost". :?



now you mention it, surely the rim around amelies hat especially would be floppy? unless kate starched them.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Magali » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:40 pm

Hi Gestalt,

Good thread. I don't know if it's been mentioned :

--the wrong time given as the shadows do not match that time (2:29pm)

--on the right side (left as we look)(temple ) of Maddy's eye seem to be wrong reflections as well as her right side of mouth, enlargements there also show a red smudge ( as Vancouver1 exposed on my thread)

What are those elements?

At enlarging and playing on my PC contrast I even noticed something like a print in the shape of a tiny cross on this right temple of hers(that looks like a medieval cross).It is very hard to see but I did.

Various possibilities could explain that.Forceps at birth is one I suppose.
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Magali » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:17 pm

http://www.mccannfiles.com
There is a special page about the "Last" photo.Tip courtesy of our friend mrc.

(Sorry if this is a repeat, I haven't had the time to back read this thread)

As Mccannfiles. blog has gathered,there's only the press (but in big number) that stated it was the last.

Yet on "Maddy's strange growth.." thread we noticed too that many press statements on the photos have been contraversed /contradicted/corrected?/different since.Like we saw on many examples of various press photos.

Can the press,all of them,always be wrong though?ALL THE TIME?...and WHY the changes?Different PRs ,different views?As a friend (Oma) pointed out to me(but she hasn't got the time to post at the moment),which I find obvious too,that the different notes given along the photos that came at various dates after the event,can feed well the various purposes of "the Wider Agenda".

I don't think that the British press could take the liberty to invent different statements every time they show the same photo for a different article.Press has to repeat the fed statements to them.

Gestalt you wrote that you are working on a web site at the moment, can it be of interest here?If so, can you tell us more?

Nice work here too of yours:

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#10 You say, "Pool edge transition"...but this is largely shown up in blogs as a PS anomaly.Why the BLACK line behind the white line (if the white line is a piece of the pool edge) ?
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby gestalt » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:20 pm

Magali wrote:
Gestalt you wrote that you are working on a web site at the moment, can it be of interest here?If so, can you tell us more?


Not unless readers are interested in cooking? http://www.culinary-herbs.co.uk
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby Magali » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:27 pm

gestalt wrote:
Magali wrote:
Gestalt you wrote that you are working on a web site at the moment, can it be of interest here?If so, can you tell us more?


Not unless readers are interested in cooking? http://www.culinary-herbs.co.uk


Bookmarked!Will visit, Thanx!Lov cookin with herbs!
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Re: The definitive Last Photo Thread

Postby shesaidwhat » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:30 pm

Magali wrote:
#10 You say, "Pool edge transition"...but this is largely shown up in blogs as a PS anomaly.Why the BLACK line behind the white line (if the white line is a piece of the pool edge) ?


Magali, have seen a while ago, and off the top of my head I beleive it may be been on the Mirror Forum, a photograph that someone had taken on a trip, that the black line was the border of the depth indication of the pool on a printed tile inset. (i guess there is one at each end and maybe one somewhere in the middle)

Maybe someone else remembers this?
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