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PANTHEISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby Tripz » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:57 pm

PANTHEISM

Is the belief that the universe and nature are divine.
It fuses religion and science, and concern for humans with concern for nature.
It provides the most realistic concept of life after death,
and the most solid basis for environmental ethics.
It is a religion that requires no faith other than common sense,
no revelation other than open eyes and a mind open to evidence,
no guru other than your own self.


Sticking to the evidence: the sacred duty of empiricism.

With scientific pantheism, empiricism is one of the most sacred and binding duties. A pantheist who ignores evidence, or who is in any way closed to new evidence, is guilty of turning away from Reality.
By evidence we mean the sort of evidence that science and the senses deal with.

We mean direct experience of the sensible world, rather than the "experience" of unconfirmed hallucination or imagination, however powerful these may be for the individual. We mean experience that can be repeated by others, verified by others, rather than private experiences which are inaccessible to others.

Sometimes people who believe in God or heaven cite personal experience as "evidence." But they are not talking about the sort of evidence that science would accept, or that ordinary people would accept before signing a contract. They are talking about individual emotions or imaginations, experiences that cannot be repeated or verified by others at will.

Scientific pantheism accepts all evidence that is either a matter of common experience, or that is scientifically validated. It accepts uncomfortable findings - even those that contradict common sense, such as those of quantum physics - as long as they are fully validated. It faces up to uncomfortable truths.

Gazing at the unveiled face of divinity.

If the Real is the divine, then just as theists try to know God better, pantheists should try to know Reality better by prolonged encounter and study.
For the pantheist science can be a deep expression of religion, as it was, for example, for Einstein. Of course this is possible for theists too. Kepler's belief that God designed the solar system on the basis of numerical harmonies led him to frame his laws of planetary orbits.

But the difference is this:

When theists look at a forest, or at a cell, or at a galaxy, they feel that they are contemplating the reflected glory of an invisible Creator, or they are staring at God's impenetrable veil.

When pantheists do so, they are directly witnessing the glory of divine Being. They are gazing on the unveiled face of divinity.

Faith versus certainty.

Pantheism asserts that Reality - the visible, audible, touchable, tasteable world of nature and the universe - is divine. That is, it possesses most of the qualities that believers in God claim for God and therefore should be revered and celebrated.
These qualities include power, mystery, awe, creation, omnipresence. Nature and the universe possess these qualities indisputably and empirically, whereas transcendental gods are only known to possess them - or to exist at all - through faith, revelation, and personal imagination. Everyone has seen the divine cosmos and the sacred earth. But few people - even among believers - claim to have seen God.

In this sense pantheism is scientific, whereas theism operates in a way that is counter to scientific method. We are not talking here about the content of faith, the specific beliefs about God or supernatural human powers. Most of these are not testable at the present time, and so many scientists have little trouble adhering to them. We are talking about the very nature of faith as faith. Faith means accepting the unbelievable, unprovable or illogical on the basis of evidence that no scientist would accept in science, and no prudent person would accept as the basis of a contract.
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Re: PANTHEISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby Tripz » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:59 pm

Science and religion.

Since the Renaissance, science has driven back the bounds of religion.
Heaven was once thought to begin beyond the sphere of stars, just outside the orbit of Saturn. Modern telescopes have pushed the boundaries to the edge of the universe.

But theists no longer claim that God is just outside the last rim of the visible. God has moved to more secure accommodation - to an invisible fortress which shows not so much as a grain of mortar in the real world. Yet this is, paradoxically, His best defence. Because He cannot be inspected or measured His existence can never be disproved.

This immaterial God is quite safe against attack from science. Science can establish or disprove only testable statements and theories about the real world. It cannot endorse or discount any set of beliefs that are not testable.

In recent years scientists like Frank Tippler have begun to set themselves up as religious pundits and prophets, claiming that one scientific discovery after another "proves" the truth of God, the creation, immortality and so on. Their scientific credentials give them a spurious credibility. Of course they have a right to their beliefs and opinions. But they do not have the right to speak out on these matters in the name of science. By definition, nothing on earth or in the heavens - not even miraculous violations of natural law - can prove the existence of an immaterial entity. Even if the face of God appeared in the clouds to the whole world tomorrow, we still could not assume He was an immaterial entity.

Scientific pantheism is called scientific not because science endorses pantheism but because scientific pantheism adopts a scientific approach to Reality.

It cleaves to the Real. It sticks to the evidence. It prefers certainty over faith. It prefers simple hypotheses over complex ones, and refuses to multiply unnecessary entities. It accepts the findings of science, and accepts that Reality can often be uncomfortable.

Cognitive openness: the sacred duty of constant revision.

Reality is always changing. Our accumulated knowledge of Reality is always changing. Therefore our theories about Reality must always be open to change.
As people grow older, they tend to form fixed beliefs which lock into self-reinforcing hierarchies, and become impervious to change. This applies most strongly to religious views. It applies to politics and ethnic relations. It applies inside academic disciplines.

Even scientific theories build themselves into paradigms, which tend to become dogmatic and resist new approaches as Thomas Kuhn has established. Only when a whole mass of contrary evidence accumulates does the old dam burst. Only when old professors retire or die can new theories rule the day.

We can call this tendency to closed minds "cognitive rigidity." It is one of the most dangerous and counter-productive traits of human personality.

In origin it is probably biological: neural connections are formed, and as the experiences that linked them are repeated, they solidify and strengthen. This may have brought advantages to hunter-gatherers at times when snap decisions were needed: the jizz of a bird soaring past is interpreted as game, the rustle of foliage as danger. But in the context of politics, relations between social groups, and science, it brings nothing but problems.

Cognitive openness is the opposite of rigidity. It means being constantly open to new evidence. It means seeking out new evidence. It means actively looking for evidence that might contradict your hypothesis.

Occam's razor: seeking the simplest explanation.

Successful science seeks the simplest explanation for things - consistent with the evidence.
This "principle of economy" is also known as Occam's razor, after William of Occam, an influential English philosopher of the fourteenth century. In logical battles with scholastic philosophers Ockham applied the following rule:


Non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem.
[Entities are not to be multiplied beyond what is necessary.]


This principle has been fruitful in the history of science. To explain the retrograde motions of the planets, the Greek astronomer Ptolemy developed a system of `epicycles' - circular loops budding out of the main orbits. Eventually many dozens of these epicycles were needed to explain the facts.
Copernicus assumed that the sun, and not the earth, was the centre of our planetary system. This one assumption did away with the need for all the `unnecessary entities' of the epicycles, and gave birth to modern astronomy.

The rule of simplicity applies in religion too.

For as long as there has been religious speculation, gods have been used as an explanation for the existence of the universe. Moses and Mohammed applied Occam's razor to religion, and reduced a pantheon of Gods to one God.

Yet monotheism still retained two entities: God and the universe. Nor was it an explanation, since God's existence was accepted as a "mystery."

Pantheism asserts that the universe is self-sufficient, and accepts its existence as the ultimate mystery. It seeks for the most simple hypothesis, and replaces two universal entities with one, two mysteries with one.
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Re: PANTHEISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby Tripz » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:02 pm

Why do we need religion at all?

Why not simply abandon religion in favour of science?

Because science alone cannot satisfy our deeper needs.

In an urban world, where isolation is so common, we need to believe in something greater than ourselves. Something less divisive than our ethnic or national identity. Something more encompassing than our fragmented neighbourhoods. Something more enduring than our frantic global marketplace.

We need a source of value and meaning in life. Science explains things - but it cannot endow things with value or meaning. Indeed some scientists couch their explanations - especially of life or mind - in a way that diminishes value or meaning. Yet people are not happy to be reduced to mere mechanisms, or the servants of blindly selfish genes. Nor are these descriptions scientifically accurate.

We need a deeper grounding for our moral systems. Science deals with facts, not with ethics. Many philosophers have tried to devise ethical systems based on enlightened self-interest. But if self-interest is to rule the day, the temptation of unenlightened self-interest will always be powerful.

Although some animals like elephants seem to be aware of the death of others in their family, we humans are probably the only animals aware of our own impending death. We need a way of coping with death, and a hope that at least part of us may live on beyond our death.

We must seek some way of satisfying these deeper needs which traditional religions try to satisfy.

Yet at the same time we must retain all the rigor of the scientific approach. We must never depart from reason and evidence. We must never lose sight of the real world of experience. When our era was young, we believed as children believe and thought as children thought. Now we are adults, it is time to put away childish things. It is time to adopt a religion that satisfies our religious needs, that embraces the space age, that fully supports our love of nature and our efforts to preserve the earth. That religion is pantheism. If you love nature, if you love the night sky, if you see divinity in all natural things, then you are a pantheist.

Why traditional religion is not suited to the Third Millennium.

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But when I became a man, I put away childish things. [Paul, I Corinthians, 13.11]

We live in a world aware as never before of the vast reaches of the cosmos, of the immense variety of species on earth, and of the links between things at all levels. We live in an urban and industrial world based on science, technology and the rapid exchange of information.

Yet the major religions that dominate the world today developed among agrarian and pastoral peoples, in times when superstition was rife. Times when the sun was thought to revolve around the earth, and the stars were just holes in a roof.

Following ancient agrarian religions in a post-industrial age has severe drawbacks.

First, their ethical schemes are not adapted to the challenges of the modern world. As we have seen, no major Western religion gives powerful backing to environmental action. The scriptures of all Western religions give support, in varying degrees, to those who wish to resist women's equality.

Second, they often require beliefs in events which common experience and science tell us are impossible, and sometimes in dogmas that defy logic. They force us to divide our minds in two. In our everyday practical lives we are as wily as foxes, continually investigating, experimenting, finding solutions, checking out the evidence.

But in the religious area of our lives we are as gullible as infants. We believe things which defy experience and science - miracles, resurrections, divine or angelic voices, saviours from the sky. Indeed some people seem ready to believe almost anything.

This religious area is of central importance to most people. It governs the most important passages of our lives, from birth, through adolescence, to marriage, parenthood and death. It governs our expectations about death and life after death.

But the schism between reason and religion is dangerous. The religious area helps to shelter or incubate other, political or racial kinds of unreason and other refusals to confront reality and evidence. We need to end the divide. We need a fully rational religion that is open to reality and evidence. That religion is pantheism.

For more info:http://www.pantheism.net/beliefs.htm It's time for change!

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Re: PANTHEISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby celticcarla » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:04 pm

I will kist stick to God, Christ and the Holy Spirit thanks, faith is so much easeir. :wink:
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Re: PANTHEISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby Tripz » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:11 pm

celticcarla wrote:I will kist stick to God, Christ and the Holy Spirit thanks, faith is so much easeir. :wink:

But is it? And is what it preachs ever the TRUTH? How upset will you be knowning that is based only on subjective dogma? Blind faith I call it. :)
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Re: PANTHEISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby hakluyt » Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:24 am

celticcarla wrote:I will kist stick to God, Christ and the Holy Spirit thanks, faith is so much easeir. :wink:

Actually that's true, the myths of the Greeks for example had a far more discerning audience because the stories varied from place to place and over time, so you couldn't hear them without thinking about their evolution and differences. They weren't 'religion' in the sense of Christianity, and they certainly weren't 'gospel', which came out of other cultures, for example the Egyptians, along with the idea of absolute rule.
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