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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Tripz » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:11 am

Tripz wrote:MITHRA[S]

As will be proven Zeitgeist reveals that not just the sun god HORUS but other sun gods had almost the same characteristics to Jesus [yeshua]..as follows

God of Indo-Iranian religion. He was the god of light and wisdom, and appears also to have been the god of oath and mutual obligation.
The cult of Mithra originated from the Mesopotamian kingdom of Mitanni in the 2nd millennium BCE. Some theories reconstruct his origin to India, mentioned first time around 1400 BCE.
Mithra would become perhaps the most important religious export item throughout the next 1500 years, being passed on to every major civilization of the eastern Mediterranean Sea and deep into Europe, reaching as far as the British Isles. He was important in Zoroastrianism, with the Greeks and had his own dedicated cult within the Roman Empire. Many see Mithra as one of the models for Christianity's Jesus.
In its Assyrian and Babylonian versions in the 7th and 6th centuries BCE, Mithra was nothing less than the god of the sun. The dominating myth relating to Mithra was where he slain a divine bull, from which all good plants and animals came. This myth would follow him through all later developments.
Mithra had an annual celebration, relating to his birth. This occurred around winter solstice, and would at some time in history be fixed to December 25.
Mithra is mentioned in the Zoroastrian writings, although not by Zarathustra himself, as the chief yazata, which is a benevolent spirit. Zoroastrianism placed Mithra as a lesser deity than Ahura Mazda, but would in a later theological stage define him as Ahura Mazda's earthly representation. His function was to protect the souls and see them safe on their journey to Paradise.
Around 400 BCE the Zoroastrians provided for Mithra a mother, Anahita. In a temple from 200 BCE she was referred to as "The Immaculate Virgin Mother of Lord Mithra".
The Zoroastrian version of Mithra survived the longest in Armenia, which also became the first country to embrace Christianity as state religion.
The Greeks came from the 4th century to identify Mithra with the Greek sun god Helios. For the Greeks, the slaying of the bull was a central motive.
In its Roman shape, Mithra was named Mithras. From the 3nd century CE he became identified with the god Sol Invictus, which also incorporated the popular cult of Apollo. In 274, the cult of Sol Invictus was made official.
The Roman mythology of Mithras can only be reconstructed from surviving imagery and indirect accounts. Mithras is represented as closely associated with the creation of the cosmos. What is most possibly a depiction of Mithras, we see him being born from an egg while 12 signs of the zodiac surround him. In total, Mithraic iconography relates closely to heavenly objects.
Followers of Mithras were subject to strict regulations in their battle for the victory of light and truth.
In other accounts Mithras dies, is buried in a cave and then resurrected. The cave plays another important role as being the place where Mithras slain the sacred bull. The cave would in Roman Mithraism become the hall of congregation for members of the cult.


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aRGH! Mithra.... :wink:
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Arbiter » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:39 am

We still haven't nailed your first point.

Where is it "set in stone" that Horus had 12 disciples. Please provide an ancient source that says Horus had 12 disciples.

Attempts at distraction are not going to work.

When you admit you don't have an ancient source we can move onto the next point in the list.

Let's do them one at a time.

Please put Gerald Massey's theory about 12 disciples on here so that we can discuss it's honesty.

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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Arbiter » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:41 am

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Tripz wrote:set in stone well??????????????? 8)[/quote

Hi Tripz,

I tell you what, since it is set in stone. I know I will not be going to Egypt for several months but can take pix when I do. If Arbiter goes sooner he can take pix and he can have everything pointed out to him for him to choose whether he understands their ancient concepts and beliefs or not.

Regardless, do I believe what has been explained to me in situ in Egypt - marvels from between 5,000 years and 2,500 years BC or Arbiter who says it is not true? Erm.....let me take a few minutes to make up my mind. Tough choice :roll: :roll: :lol:


I'm waiting for you to back up YOUR claim that it is set in stone that Horus had 12 disciples.

So far.. nothing. Empty claim.. just like Zeitgeist.

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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Tripz » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:48 am

The twelve followers of HORUS as HAR-KHUTTI...next? :wink:
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Arbiter » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:04 am

Tripz wrote:The twelve followers of HORUS as HAR-KHUTTI...next? :wink:


You have to tell us what that means... what it's based on.

Please... elaborate.
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Tripz » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:05 am

Arbiter wrote:
Tripz wrote:The twelve followers of HORUS as HAR-KHUTTI...next? :wink:


You have to tell us what that means... what it's based on.

Please... elaborate.

the 12 followers of HORUS self explanatory :roll:
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Tripz » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:10 am

Krishna

The parallels (similarities) of the Hindu Krishna Myth to the Christian Jesus myth are strong evidence that Christianity stole/borrowed elements of the older myth.
In comparing the Krishna and Jesus myths, some of the references of the Jesus myth are stories found in the so-called Apocryphal Gospels, the early Christian writings which were not accepted for the Christian canon, which includes the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John, the Acts, and other letters.

Special note will be made of the Apocryphal Gospel references.

The Apocryphal Gospel myths are included because they give additional mythological information not found in the Canonic Gospels.

Because we are interested in the total Jesus myth, this additional information is included.

Here is a chart comparing the Jesus myth to the Krishna myth.


Comparison of the Jesus and Krishna Myths The Hindu Krishna Myth The Christian Jesus Myth
Krishna is the son of the Virgin Devaki. Jesus is the son of the Virgin Mary.
Krishna's birth occurs while his foster father, Nanda, is in his native city to pay taxes to the king, King Kansa. Jesus' birth occurs while his foster father, Joseph, is in his native city to pay taxes to the Governor.
King Kansa tried to kill Krishna by ordeing the slaughter of all males born on the same day as Krishna. King Herod ordered the slaughter of all infants born on the same day as Jesus.
Source: St. Matthew, 2:16.
The Virgin Devaki is told by an angel, "In thy delivery, O favored among women, all nations shall have cause to rejoice." The Virgin Mary is told by an angel, "Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. ... Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found favor with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."
Source: St. Luke 1:28-33.
The nativity of Krishna is heralded by a star. The nativity of Jesus is heralded by a star.
Krishna is born in a cave.
The cave story is an indication of lower-class birthplace. Jesus is born in a cave.
Source: The Apocryphal Gospel entitled Protevangelion, supposedly written by James, the brother of Jesus.
The manger story (wherein Jesus was born in a stable) is an indication of a low-class birthplace.
Krishna is visited in the cave by three wise men bearing gifts. Jesus is visited in the stable/cave by three wise men bearing gifts.
The cave was mysteriously illuminated. The cave was illuminated so brightly Joseph and Mary's midwife could not tolerate the light.
Source: The Apocryphal Gospel Protevangelion.
Nanda is warned by an angel to flee from King Kansa by crossing the Jumna River with the infant Krishna. Joseph is warned in a dream to flee from King Herod into Egypt with the infant Jesus and the Virgin Mary.
The baby Krishna began speaking to his mother shortly after birth. The baby Jesus began speaking to the Virgin Mary shortly after his birth, saying, "Mary, I am Jesus, the Son of God, that WORD which thou didst bring forth according to the declaration of the Angel Gabriel to thee, and my Father hath sent me for the salvation of the world."
Source: The Apocryphal Gospel, The First Gospel of the Infancy.
Krishna performs miracles in Mathura. Jesus performs miracles in the town of Materea in Egypt.
Krishna is the second person of the Hindu Trinity: (1) Brahma, (2) Vishnu, (3) Siva. Krishna is the incarnation of Vishnu. Jesus is the second person of the Christian Trinity: (1) God, the Father, (2) Jesus the Son, (3) the Holy Ghost.
Krishna was crucified. Jesus was crucified.
During the crucifixion, Krishna was wounded by an arrow. During the crucifixion, Jesus was wounded by a spear.
At noon on the day of Krishna's crucifixion, the sun darkened. From the sixth hour to the ninth hour on the day of Jesus' crucifixion, the sun darkened.
Krishna descended into Hell.
He raised the dead.
He brought back two boys from Hell. Jesus descended into Hell.
He raised the dead.
He brought back from Hell two boys, the sons of the high priest.
Source: The Apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus.
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Arbiter » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:12 am

Tripz wrote:
Arbiter wrote:
Tripz wrote:The twelve followers of HORUS as HAR-KHUTTI...next? :wink:


You have to tell us what that means... what it's based on.

Please... elaborate.

the 12 followers of HORUS self explanatory :roll:


No it's isn't self explanatory.. that's circular logic.

Please explain what this is based on.. where does this come from?

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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Tripz » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:17 am

http://www.levir.com.br/theotext.php?cod=0019

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do you know what circular logic is arbiee? :|
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Arbiter » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:23 am

Please explain here, not in a link, where the 12 twelve followers of Har_Khuti comes from.

Do you actually know? I'm not sure you do.
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Tripz » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:30 am

Arbiter wrote:Please explain here, not in a link, where the 12 twelve followers of Har_Khuti comes from.

Do you actually know? I'm not sure you do.

From Egypt...next..Your obliged to show any indescrepencies in this of course. :lol: :lol:
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Tripz » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:34 am

Dionysus

Life events shared by Osiris, Dionysus and Jesus
The following stories appear both in the Gospels and in the myths of many of the god-men: Conception: God was his father. This was believed to be literally true in the case of Osiris-Dionysus; their God came to earth and engaged in sexual intercourse with a human. The father of Jesus is God in the form of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18).
A human woman, a virgin, was his mother.

Birth: He was born in a cave or cowshed. Luke 2:7 mentions that Jesus was placed in a manger - an eating trough for animals. One early Christian tradition said that the manger was in a cave.
His birth was prophesized by a star in the heavens.

Ministry: At a marriage ceremony, he performed the miracle of converting water into wine.
He was powerless to perform miracles in his home town.
His followers were born-again through baptism in water.
He rode triumphantly into a city on a donkey. Tradition records that the inhabitants waved palm leaves.
He had 12 disciples.
He was accused of licentious behavior.

Execution, resurrection, etc: He was killed near the time of the Vernal Equinox, about MAR-21.
He died "as a sacrifice for the sins of the world." 1
He was hung on a tree, stake, or cross.
After death, he descended into hell.
On the third day after his death, he returned to life.
The cave where he was laid was visited by three of his female followers
He later ascended to heaven.

His titles: God made flesh.
Savior of the world.
Son of God.

Beliefs about the God-man: He is "God made man," and equal to the Father.
He will return in the last days.
He will judge the human race at that time.
Humans are separated from God by original sin. The god-man's sacrificial death reunites the believer with God and atones for the original sin.


All of the Pagan myths had been circulating for centuries before Jesus birth (circa 4 to 7 BCE). It is obvious that if any copying occurred, it was the followers of Jesus incorporating into his biography the myths and legends of Osiris-Dionysus, not vice-versa.
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Arbiter » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:35 am

Tripz wrote:
Arbiter wrote:Please explain here, not in a link, where the 12 twelve followers of Har_Khuti comes from.

Do you actually know? I'm not sure you do.

From Egypt...next..Your obliged to show any indescrepencies in this of course. :lol: :lol:


Tell us what the "12 followers of Har-Khuti" is please, where does this come from?

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Do you actually know?
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Tripz » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:40 am

Arbiter wrote:
Tripz wrote:
Arbiter wrote:Please explain here, not in a link, where the 12 twelve followers of Har_Khuti comes from.

Do you actually know? I'm not sure you do.

From Egypt...next..Your obliged to show any indescrepencies in this of course. :lol: :lol:


Tell us what the "12 followers of Har-Khuti" is please, where does this come from?

Thanks.

Do you actually know?

Are you contending it arbiee? come on what is more blindly obvious than the myth of your jesus is just a copy of many sungods from centuries before...Your trivalizing the main issue here, I have gave plenty of explanations so as LA lady your either a xian fundie then you have my deepest sympathy or a mug which one?
GAME SET & MATCH methinks! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: ZEITGEIST EPISODE 1: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD

Postby Arbiter » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:42 am

I'm trying to nail your first point.

You have made claims and I'm trying to get you to back up your very first one.

So.. do you or do you not know where "12 followers of Har-Khuti" comes from, what is it based on?
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