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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby paulformby » Mon May 26, 2008 8:52 am

Good morning everyone.
Hope you are all well.

Bored, yes it looks like the the PACT within the the Tapas group is still as strong as ever, which contradicts what was suggested after the Leicester interviews.

Dolly, sorry to hear you are unwell, and yes put something stronger in that glass of orange.

Midnight, did you say this was the second video by spudgun, do you have a link or title for the first video.

Going now to get updated with Coldwaters thread, be back 3 weeks on Friday then. Ha
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby midnight » Mon May 26, 2008 4:09 pm

Hi Paul,

There was another Spudgun video originally, some of it appears in the new one. I am not sure whether he has replaced it completely as I was unable to find it.

I have a link on my other computer and when I get back home to Spain I will post it on here for you (that's if it still exists as
it originally was).

Hoping everyone is fine and well today.
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby dollydaydream » Mon May 26, 2008 7:16 pm

Hi Paul......I see you were on early this morning......not heard of since so presume you are still on 'CW....it is one of the better threads and does take some catching up with......thanks for advice....I always find orange juice much nicer when diluted with something stronger...

Hi Midnight....Is the weather holding out for you, its still pretty horrid here and I am not amused as I planted so many beautiful flowers that are getting knocked about by the wind and rain. So far I see its going to be like this til Thurs..... :evil:

No=one else around, and i've nothing new to say.......so i think i'm off to watch something on the box.

Hope you all well and we can catch up tom....Bye
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby boredHousewife » Mon May 26, 2008 7:18 pm

Hi Paul, Midnight and Dolly, hope you're all well

The photo you were talking about last night, I remember they showed the other one in the ITV programme and they talked about the photo, how Madeleine had been sick that day, made me wonder if they mentioned this particular photo because they knew it had been talked about on forums, how Madeleine looked like an outsider in the family. In the other photo shown I think Madeleine was sitting on Kate's knee, that one looked a lot nicer than the original they released.
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby midnight » Mon May 26, 2008 7:25 pm

Hi girls,

The weather is rubbish :roll: :roll: :roll:

But it's nice to be here though.

Hope you both ok :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby boredHousewife » Mon May 26, 2008 7:27 pm

Hi Midnight and Dolly

yes been raining all day, doesn't feel so bad being stuck in working all day when the weather is like this. What part of the UK are you in Midnight?
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby midnight » Mon May 26, 2008 7:43 pm

Good old suburbs of London :!:
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby boredHousewife » Mon May 26, 2008 8:06 pm

Hopefully it brightens up a bit before you leave 8) :D
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby midnight » Mon May 26, 2008 8:11 pm

:shock: Doubt it :!: :o
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby boredHousewife » Mon May 26, 2008 8:29 pm

I always go back and forth, wondering if they are guitly or not, I was wondering if Maddie was abducted and they opened the window themselves because they knew it would not look good that they left the doors unlocked with the kids inside. They had to pretend they were left safe inside a locked apartment and they were checking every 30 mins.

Maybe that's why they took so long phoning the police, but that couldn't be right could it? If they really thought Madeleine was abducted they wouldn't wait 40 mins to phone for help?
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby boredHousewife » Mon May 26, 2008 8:33 pm

I know they didn't find any stranger DNA in the apartment but that wasn't sealed off quick enough, the blood the dogs traced turned out to be someone else's. Thought about the cadaver scent, I think that cannot be used in court because the trace can be left there by police investigating, they may have been at other crime scenes.

That wouldn't explain the scent being on Kate's clothes and cuddle cat though :?

I guess we just have to wait and see what the PJ have on their files, if we ever do find out. Don't know what is the truth, what has been exgarrated and what is completely false :shock:
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby midnight » Tue May 27, 2008 6:18 pm

Has someone been paid off :shock: :? :!: :roll:


Judge does not allow McCanns' text messages to be read, 27 May 2008
(no online link yet available) 24horas
Relation court alleges "reservations over the private life" of Maddie's parents


The PJ wanted to know what was contained in the text messages that were written by the McCanns and their friends, on the day before and on the day after the little girl disappeared

The Public Ministry and the inspectors at the Polícia Judiciária that are responsible for the Maddie case, are not going to be able to read the contents of the mobile phone text messages that were sent and received by the McCann couple during the moments that followed the English girl's disappearance. The PJ's access to this data was denied by the Relation Court in Évora, through a ruling that was accessed by 24horas, and which invokes the legal guarantees of reservation and confidentiality of telecommunications.

A few days after Kate and Gerry were heard at the PJ and made arguidos, last September, the Republic's Prosecutor from the Judicial District of Portimão, Magalhães e Menezes, asked the judge that is responsible for the process, to request the three national mobile phone operators to send a digital record of "the full listings of telephone traffic concerning both incoming and outgoing calls" for ten phone numbers, between the 28th of April and the 9th of September 2007. That list, according to the Prosecutor, should include the cellular location and traceback, as well as any calls that were made in roaming, and SMS and MMS messages, and their contents. The analysis of this data would allow the police to, at least, reconstitute the steps made by Kate, Gerry and the friends that were spending their holidays with them at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, on the days immediately before the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The investigators are especially curious about the contents of 18 messages that were written and sent, from a yet unidentified mobile phone, to Gerry McCann, between the 2nd and the 4th of May 2007, and about all the communications that were made by the group between 8 p.m. on the 3rd of May and 12 p.m., on the next day.

Judge did not give permission

The request that was made by Magalhães e Menezes started out by being rejected by the criminal instruction judge at the Portimão Court, who, through a dispatch, "did not authorize the sending, on a digital medium (CD or DVD), of the contents of any message that was sent or received as an SMS or MMS, concerning all the telephone numbers" at hand.

The understanding of the Judge is that that access would "mean to gain knowledge of the contents of the conversation or telephone communication, without a previous judicial dispatch, authorising such procedure". Which is not foreseen in the Portuguese law.

Not resigning, the Public Ministry appealed the Relation in Évora, trying to open up another possibility: in order to preserve the "reservation of the intimacy of the private life of the interlocutors", the messages would be previously analysed by the instruction judge, who would evaluate their contents and the possibility that they could be used as evidence. The ruling from the Relation Court, signed by judge Fernando Ribeiro Cardoso, dismisses that possibility, as well. "The data from the contents, as the tenor of the messages, can only be intercepted in real time, with due judicial authorisation", the document refers, adding that the mere existence of such records or recordings would configure a violation of the law.

Retroactive listening

The investigators that have been given the task of finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann, wanted to access some sort of retroactive listening operation, by requesting information, in late September, about the messages that were exchanged, months earlier, by the arguidos and by the English citizens that were spending their holidays with the McCanns in Praia da Luz. For the Relation Court in Évora this is an idea that has no legal support and "it makes no sense" to ask the operators (TMN, Vodafone and Optimus) that they "make the contents of communications and messages that were expedited and received between certain telephones, during a certain past period, available". Although it recognizes the "hypothetical technical possibility" that the contents of those messages was the object of register or recording, the Relation Court understands that it is a "reality that from the legal point of view, could never have taken place, under a penalty of an eventual incursion into criminal responsibility by whomever has carried it out or permitted it to be carried out". "As the contents of those messages, that were eventually expedited or received, through the telephones that are at issue, during the period that is comprehended between the 28th of April and the 9th of September of the same year, could not have been the object of any interception, registration and recording by any operator, the request that is being made by the Public Ministry in the First Instance, and sustained in an appeal, lacks any legal support, in that part", the ruling concludes.

Four Crimes under Investigation

There are four crimes being investigated as part of the process related to the Maddie Case, under the jurisdiction of the Portimão Court. In addition to the suspicions of abduction, homicide and hiding a cadaver, the judgment of the Relation Court Évora, now released by 24horas, confirms that the Portuguese Justice system is also reviewing the occurrence of the practice of the crime of exposure by abandonment of a minor, punishable under the Penal Code with a sentence of between 3 and 10 years in prison. According to the law, one commits this crime when they place the life of another person in danger, "leaving them defenceless, whenever the accused fails in their responsibility to protect, watch over or assist."

Deadline from the PJ is at the doorstep

Reconstruction to take place, soon?

The Polícia Judiciária remains interested in making the reconstruction of the evening of May 3, 2007. The inspectors want to seat the seven friends at the table in the Tapas Bar, again, and to understand the movements of all of them, on the evening when the little girl disappeared. In this manner, the Judiciária wants to identify possible incoherencies in the statements made by each one of the persons that were heard on location, in those days. It so happens that the McCanns and their friends do not reach an agreement and the most likely thing to happen is that they do not attend the reconstruction, which may not be carried out. Madeleine's parents have often expressed their availability to help, but what is certain is that the 29th of May, the day that was scheduled by the PJ as the date when this diligence would be carried out, is on the doorstep and there are still no certainties concerning the couple's presence in Portugal. News is expected in the coming days.

FACTS

Telephones
Without access to the contents of the telephone messages, PJ could, however, know who spoke to whom on the day that Maddie disappeared. This, because the criminal instruction judge has not raised questions relative to the analysis of the "lists of telephone traffic in regards to calls made and received."

Intimacy
According to the Portimão Public Prosecutor, the right to protect the intimacy of one's private life "runs no greater risk of being harmed by accessing the contents of SMS or MMS messages than by the knowledge of the circumstances of time, place, mode and frequency of the calls."

Secrecy
The judicial secrecy has been extended until July. From that date onwards, the process can be consulted by the arguidos' lawyers, like Carlos Pinto de Abreu, Rog├®rio Alves and Francisco Pagarete.

Reconstruction
The process continues to have three arguidos: Kate and Gerry McCann and Robert Murat. Maddie's parents were questioned and made arguidos in early September. They returned home, to Rothley, in England, right afterwards.

Investigation
The PJ's report about the disappearance arrived at the Public Ministry on the 11th of September. From that moment on, it was accompanied by the General Prosecutor for the District of Évora, Luís Bilro Verão.
Source: 24Horas – Paper Edition pages 4 and 5
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby JIMK » Tue May 27, 2008 8:13 pm

HELLO THERE

BEEN VERY BUSY LAST FEW DAYS SO READING UP ON THE BLOGS.

SEE U R ONLINE MIDNIGHT, R U STILL IN UK ?
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby midnight » Tue May 27, 2008 9:00 pm

Hi JIMK

I've been lurking but didn't see you come in :?
Still here in London but going back tomorrow.

How are you and your wife :wink: :?:

Hasn't been much happening - gone very quiet - wonder what's next if anything :roll: :?: :!:
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Re: Hey All Daily Star Refugees!!

Postby midnight » Tue May 27, 2008 11:00 pm

:? Madeleine Reconstruction Called Off :?
Updated:23:44, Tuesday May 27, 2008

A reconstruction of the night Madeleine McCann disappeared has been scrapped after members of the so-called "Tapas Seven" refused to take part.


Missing: Madeleine McCann
Portuguese police had invited Gerry and Kate McCann back to Praia da Luz to take part in the event later this week along with the friends they were dining with when Madeleine vanished on May 3, last year.

The McCanns' spokesman said the decision had been taken by all of the couple's friends.

Clarence Mitchell said: "The friends had a number of serious questions about the value of the reconstruction and what it would do to help find Madeleine.

"After some discussion, they have informed the Portuguese authorities that they do not intend to go back."

He added: "Gerry and Kate have not refused to go back. They were aware of their friends' view and they are now not needed for the reconstruction."

Mr Mitchell said there were questions over the usefulness of a reconstruction more than a year after the event and how it would help find the four-year-old if it was not to be televised.

"Frankly," he insisted, "the police and the authorities in Portugal did not answer the simple question: What will this do to help find Madeleine? And that is why this proposal did not have legs."

It is the second time it has been put off and the McCanns have always been reluctant to take part.

The couple are still considered official suspects or 'arguidos' in the case.

Sky's Martin Brunt said: " It was only a request from the Portuguese police, not a demand.

"The McCanns felt that many months ago their own suggestion of a reconstruction had been turned down.

"They felt that there would only be a good reason to hold such a reconstruction if it was used as a widely televised appeal for help and information."
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