JonBenet Ramsey

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JonBenet Ramsey

Postby scrafen » Sun May 04, 2008 7:37 pm

She was found strangled with a Garrote, for which to create some knowledge is needed, also about the special knots used.

I am wondering, if this tool was applied (shortly) after her death (but before rigor mortis).

Did the hair on the Garrote tell anything about this :?:


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Re: JonBenet Ramsey

Postby blondie2 » Sun May 04, 2008 7:56 pm

When I was on the Mirror forum we had a poster from the US who cliamed that the Maddie case was very similar to the Jon bonet case.

It was alleged that Jon Bonet's parents were selling her photos to a porno site.

Just posting what I read........... :shock: Allegedly IMO of course!!
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Re: JonBenet Ramsey

Postby beaker1 » Sun May 04, 2008 9:09 pm

i read the book and the author who was a cop on the case says it was used after death.
i firmly believe the mother did it, she didnt get prison but fate took care of her in other ways.
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Re: JonBenet Ramsey

Postby beaker1 » Sun May 04, 2008 9:12 pm

blondie the case has many many similarities. Even the term Team, was used (team ramsey)
all the high power lawyers were behind the ramseys at the start - the parents dictated when to have interviews - they said they would take a lie detector test, they did, several till they passed them and were done using their own money privatly - the cops on the case were frustrated with not being able to carry out a proper invstigation due to the ramseys high powered influence.

the 2 cases are very close.


No one forgot about jon Benet and the parents will always be under suspicion, so no one is going to forget about madeleine either.
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Re: JonBenet Ramsey

Postby scrafen » Sun May 04, 2008 9:59 pm

beaker1 wrote:i read the book and the author who was a cop on the case says it was used after death.
i firmly believe the mother did it, she didnt get prison but fate took care of her in other ways.

:shock:
beaker ! - thanks !


-- JonBenet was 6 years old, her brother 9.
-- the ransom note (2 1/2 pages!) was written by the mother, Patsy Ramsey, with her left hand... there are at least 6 testimonies from experts...
-- injuries on JonBenets neck indicated she was strangled with something else *before* the Garotte
-- she also had a fatal head injury
-- also there were marks from a stungun below her chin and multiple on her back
-- she was never taped or tied (mouth, hands), even if there was found a "faked" tape for her mouth...
-- it was accepted that screams from the basement couldnt be heard in the 1st floor (bedrooms)
-- the child was washed (from urine...) and definitely redressed after death
-- the parents lied when claiming their son was asleep when they called 911 in the morning..
-- 20 minutes after the father, John Ramsey, discovered the body in the basement, he called his private pilot to arrange for a flight to relatives in another state in the afternoon...


JonBenet was for sure the most important person in this household, and as Little Miss Colorado all the pride of her mum, herself a former beauty queen...
this might have caused jealousy of her brother...
i feel bad about blaming her little brother now - but, nothing else makes sense to me...

:arrow: after returning from a christmas party in the evening, the family went to bed, but a little later both kids went downstairs to play with their gifts, especially the bicycles they got, which were in the basement...
her brother was jealous, they got into trouble, then all aggression unloaded...

with a stungun he threatened and hurt her under the chin... she got (partially) undressed, was forced onto the floor lieing on her front side... from there he placed the stungun multiple times on her back, so she did not defend, and tried to assault her sexually... during this she was strangled with some blue towel found in the basement, and also finally fatally injured by hits with the stungun on her head... all in a very extreme rage...

maybe - its true that JonBenet also was a victim of an ongoing sexual abuse by her father, and her brother knew about this. that might have justified him to become violent against her as well...
and also have caused even more jealousy, as she was for his mum as well his dad of much more interest than him...

likely that he was not aware of the consequences or dimension of his deed... and when his sister didnt move anymore, he went upstairs to wake up his mum
- after all he was just a 9 year old boy...
of course the parents panicked, their daughter was diceased and their son a murderer - as in the mccann case, a cover up was arranged...

to lead away investigation from their son, the "sophisticated" garrote was applied... JonBenet was properly redressed, by any chance a mother doesnt leave her daughter to be found undressed...

:?:


the parents lied, that their son was *asleep*, when they called 911...

in this call Patsy Ramsey explained to the operator:
- that her daughter is MISSING
- that she did FIND a ransom note.

when the 911-tape was analyzed some time after the case, there was found the following:
"Patsy apparently had trouble hanging up the telephone, and before it rested on the cradle she was heard to moan, "Help me, Jesus, Help me, Jesus." Her husband was heard to bark, "We're not talking to you." And in the background was a young-sounding voice: "What did you find?" It was JonBenet's brother, Burke."
http://www.acandyrose.com/12261996-911.htm

:arrow: when JonBenets brother, just got out of bed, knowing nothing about the events, but accidentially overheard this call, he should have asked
-- "What is with JonBenet?"
-- "Who is missing?"
AND NOT --> "What did you find?" --> and refer to the ransom note his mother just finished and he didnt know about (or maybe he didnt even know the meaning of this expression)...

by around 10 in the morning he got ("officially") waked up by his father and a neighbour.
on the way downstairs he picked a christmas gift, did not wonder at any time about the crowd of cops and neighbours searching the place, and on the way to the neighbours house he talked about the nintendo.

the fractured skull...
can also have occured after a collapse caused by the stungun, which can cause an epileptic behaviour... so she was not necessarily intentionally hit with something...
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Re: JonBenet Ramsey

Postby beaker1 » Wed May 14, 2008 11:03 pm

From what else I've read, there was no porn pictures of her, she was never sexually abused, it's more thought that because of the peeing herself her mother was rough with her down there cleaning her up, therefor causing internal scars - she wasnt raped and murdered, she was left to look like she had been.

patsy was also wearing the same outfit on christmas day that she had been wearing on christmas eve, this was tottally not like her to be seen in the same outfit twice, so that alone wa suspicious, add to that it was xmas day and they were going to be travelling, why would she be in the same clothes when she was supposed to have slept that night?
There was also the pineapple found in Jon benets stomach, they found pineapple in a photo taken on christmas day, and the ramseys denied feeding her it and an abductor wouldnt.

Lots and lots of suspicion in this case,a d I doubt it'll ever be completely known what went on.

Alswasy had a slight suspicion at the time that the brother had somehow been involved and the paretns were covering up for him, but since I think it was an act of rage from Patsy who was sick of her little girl wetting the bed. :x
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Re: JonBenet Ramsey

Postby cushty » Wed May 14, 2008 11:05 pm

there is a theory that her brother killed her, probably by mistake, and her parents covered for him
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Re: JonBenet Ramsey

Postby blondie2 » Thu May 15, 2008 12:01 am

cushty wrote:there is a theory that her brother killed her, probably by mistake, and her parents covered for him


Any recommended reading material on this case please? Am into criminal psychology ........so something that would give profiles of the individuals involved in the crime?
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Re: JonBenet Ramsey

Postby Arguida » Thu May 15, 2008 12:05 am

cushty wrote:there is a theory that her brother killed her, probably by mistake, and her parents covered for him


I don't buy that theory one bit. If it was anyone in the family it would be the mother who lost her cool when the child wet the bed.
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Re: JonBenet Ramsey

Postby blondie2 » Thu May 15, 2008 12:07 am

Arguida wrote:
cushty wrote:there is a theory that her brother killed her, probably by mistake, and her parents covered for him


I don't buy that theory one bit. If it was anyone in the family it would be the mother who lost her cool when the child wet the bed.

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Yes I think that is the general consensus of opinion!
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Re: JonBenet Ramsey

Postby Torti » Sat May 17, 2008 2:47 am

One good book to start with is The Cases that Haunt Us by John Douglas. The chapter that covers JonBenet is biased, IMO, but still a good basic read.
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