Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby coral » Wed May 21, 2008 10:41 pm

"Birmingham Perry Barr MP Khalid Mahmood has called for Birmingham City Council to begin an inquiry into the girl's death."

Enquiries, what good are they :evil: :evil:

Im sick to the back teeth of all the "enquiries" that take place after a child dies in suspicious circumstances like this, nothing ever changes, it still happens again and again and again.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby bugalugs1970 » Wed May 21, 2008 11:03 pm

It is being reported that one of Khyra's sibling is in a critical condition in hospital. The children are all aged between 4 and 12. Neighbours are reporting that all the children appeared happy and well fed before christmas 07 but had rarely been seen since.

Neighbours have said the children's father, Abu Zaire Ishaq, who was formerly known as Delroy Francis, left the house two years ago and that he and Mrs Gordon were Muslim converts.

A spokeman for Birmingham City Council has refused to comment on the case.

It is also being said that Khyra's mother called the ambulance to the house early Saturday morning.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby Monkeyman » Wed May 21, 2008 11:49 pm

Just reading the itn news on this story and cannot understand how this can happen, they have not been seen recently since christmas, all these kids, where is the school reports surely teachers noticed ,and if they had been missing from school why no follow up, and neighbours concerns that they were thin, bet the mother and stepfather were well though, they should be put away for the rest of there lives, so sick of this will not happen again and yet again another horror story
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby helena » Thu May 22, 2008 6:26 am

Why are they now only done with neglect?Surely it'll be manslaughter or am i wrong here.
I DO blame social services,How can they not follow up when the kids stopped going to school?
I always thought it was compulsary,gosh,I get into trouble when I take my son out of school a couple of days to go on hols etc
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby dogrose » Thu May 22, 2008 6:38 am

they were taken out to home school which is legal but surely checks must be made to allow that.

an expert on GMTV made a good point there. in society today we know more about what Brittany Spears had for breakfast than what's happening next door.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby bugalugs1970 » Thu May 22, 2008 7:21 am

dogrose wrote:they were taken out to home school which is legal but surely checks must be made to allow that.

an expert on GMTV made a good point there. in society today we know more about what Brittany Spears had for breakfast than what's happening next door.




So sad but so very true. :(
We all must shoulder some blame as a society which claims to care.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby Miss Take » Thu May 22, 2008 7:26 am

dogrose wrote:they were taken out to home school which is legal but surely checks must be made to allow that.

an expert on GMTV made a good point there. in society today we know more about what Brittany Spears had for breakfast than what's happening next door.


I'm home educating (second time round, but both for entirely different reasons) and it takes them forever to get off their bums and see the family.

In my case, we moved to a tiny village where there is no room for my daughter in the local school (OH was offered a job we couldn't refuse and moved down within 2 weeks). The only other option was a school some distance away, which frankly, is awful. I chose to home educate.

She hasn't been at school since September of last year. It was only a couple of months ago that I had a 'preliminary' check, this wasn't looking into the standard of education, but making a file of who she was, who she lived with and to ensure she was happy with the arrangements. The visit to assess the standard of education only came last month. I won't see anyone now for another 12 months.

Even so, legally, I could have refused both visits and there's nothing the LEA could have done to get past the doorstep.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby bugalugs1970 » Thu May 22, 2008 8:59 am

A few thing niggling at me about this case, the age of the eldest child,12, old enough to make a stand perhaps, old enough to seek help???
The fact that the children could get out of the house to get the bread from the bird table???

I know that they (parents) were muslim converts i have read a bit about islamic religion and i have several muslim (female) friends who i have had deep discussions with out the realms of being a muslim, in particular what it can mean for a female and children. I understand that muslim parents can rule with an iron rod, they can stimulate fear and oppression amongst the younger or more vulnerable members of the family.

There is more to this case than meets the eye.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby coral » Thu May 22, 2008 9:07 am

It was in todays Daily Record that an educational social worker had visited the family initially but no further follow up checks were made.

Its also quoting a neighbour whos alleging that the Mother came round to her shouting and screaming saying that someone had given bread to her children. The neighbour didnt know what the Mum was talking about and only realised later about the bread she had put out for the birds. :( :(
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby bugalugs1970 » Thu May 22, 2008 9:10 am

Miss Take wrote:I'm home educating (second time round, but both for entirely different reasons)



I admire you...well done :)
Wish i had the courage to make that move.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby bugalugs1970 » Thu May 22, 2008 9:23 am

Birmingham Perry Barr MP Khalid Mahmood called for an investigation into the city's social services after it emerged that Khyra and the other children had been taken out of school nearly three months ago amid claims of bullying.

"There are structural issues here within the local authority that need to be addressed," he said.

"I will be asking the local authority at the first available opportunity to account for their inaction. There are lessons to be learned here - we have to be far more stringent with people who don't take their children to school."

Mr Mahmood, who is writing to the chief executive of Birmingham City Council, said he had been told that an educational social worker visited Khyra's home after the children were removed from school, but no further follow-up checks took place.

"I just find that amazing. It just beggars belief that we have allowed this to happen, especially when an educational social worker has been once... and then no action at all," he said.



From the Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -girl.html

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Khyra had 2 sisters, aged four and 11, and 3 brothers aged eight, nine and 12.

The childrens Aunt, Valerie Francis, from the paternal side does not know if Khyra's father is aware that his daughter has died, she claims not to know of his whereabouts.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby bugalugs1970 » Thu May 22, 2008 9:43 am

There have been several more court cases involving the wilful neglect or abuse of a child.


This month a couple were jailed for sexually abusing an infant and filming it on a mobile phone. Christopher Oxtoby, 27, and Katie Scott, 26, were sentenced to seven years and four-and-a-half years in prison respectively. Northampton Crown Court heard Scott had abused the baby and allowed Oxtoby to video it.

Last April, four women who forced a two-year-old boy and and three-year-old girl to attack each other with weapons and filmed the fight were given suspended prison sentences at Plymouth Crown Court.


In December, a teenage couple were jailed for subjecting their son to nearly two months of abuse at their flat in Redfield, Bristol. The baby, who was not named, suffered fractures to his wrists, legs ribs, index finger and spine, haemorrhages to the eyes, and cuts to the tongue. At Bristol Crown Court his father Samuel Chamberlain, 19, was told he must serve a minimum of three-and-a-half years before being considered for release. The mother, Kankamon Sukchuen, 19, was sentenced to four years' youth custody.


Another harrowing case is that of Jessica Randall, who was 54 days old when she was murdered by her father, Andrew Randall, in November 2005. The baby, who had a congenital heart disease, was found to have at least nine injuries to her ribs as well as xxxxxxxx on the brain, a fractured skull and cuts to her face. Randall, 33, was jailed for life at Northampton Crown Court in March last year.






From http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... arned.html

Khyra a little girl who starved to death aged 7.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby fedrules » Thu May 22, 2008 9:45 am

Well I'm afraid I get tired of people blaming social workers.In the end ,it is the parents who have behaved appallingly. Social workers probably have so many cases to deal with that, sadly ,there will always be some cases of abuse which go unnoticed.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby misplacedfemale » Thu May 22, 2008 9:47 am

daisy-joe wrote:Good job done by social services yet again!! 10 weeks out of school and no check ups!! Seems that the mccann's and mates leaving their babies is another slip up, but they have only one missing so far!! Of course no arrests!! How far does one have to go before the government cracks down on child abuse??


Well this government won't do much. After all he has shown at first he supported Child neglectors, then back away, but still he has not don't much to save face.. As with many high celebrity. Once again another sad case that will be forgotten, and sweep aside. As with many other child neglect reports.
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Re: Breaking news on sky a 7yrs old starve to death

Postby misplacedfemale » Thu May 22, 2008 9:49 am

fedrules wrote:Well I'm afraid I get tired of people blaming social workers.In the end ,it is the parents who have behaved appallingly. Social workers probably have so many cases to deal with that, sadly ,there will always be some cases of abuse which go unnoticed.


I do agree with you some what. But you have to admit that Far Too Many Cases on abuse are missed by Social services.
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