Irish Independant 30/05/08

Madeleine Beth McCann went missing from PDL in Portugal on the 3rd May 2007, there are so many unanswered questions, please discuss

Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby isis » Fri May 30, 2008 1:16 pm

McCanns may face child neglect charges
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By Jack Doyle


Friday May 30 2008

The parents of Madeleine McCann could face charges of neglecting their daughter on the night she disappeared.

The first official confirmation that the couple could face "abandonment'' charges came in court documents revealing the areas Portuguese investigators are considering.

The police inquiry also covers possible abduction, homicide and concealment of a corpse, the documents say.

Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, emphasised the court papers did not mean such a charge would materialise.

He said the couple vigorously denied neglecting Madeleine and welcomed the fact that abduction was also being considered by detectives.

He said: "This court document outlines the areas of the investigation and in no way suggests Kate and Gerry will be facing any such charges.

"Equally we have heard nothing officially to suggest any such area of investigation is being considered.

"However we do note that abduction is apparently one of the parameters and we welcome that because that is what Kate and Gerry and their friends have said and that is what happened.

"If there is any suggestion of neglect charges being considered that will be vigorously denied because the legal advice that Kate and Gerry have received, both in Portugal and Britain, is that legally speaking everything they were doing that week was well within the bounds of responsible parenting.''

A neglect charge carries a maximum penalty of ten years. But it is understood for such a charge to stand up the prosecutors would have to show the McCanns intended to neglect Madeleine.

The youngster disappeared from the couple's holiday apartment in Praia de Luz on May 3 last year while they dined with friends a short distance away.

Members of their group would return to the apartment at regular intervals to check on Madeleine and her twin siblings.

The youngster's fifth birthday was on May 12.

The court documents also reveal the public prosecutor sought access to text and phone messages from 10 mobile telephones thought to belong to the McCanns and seven of their friends. Investigators also wanted to see the content of 18 text messages allegedly sent to Mr McCann from an unidentified number, 14 on May 2 and four more on May 4.

The documents are part of the appeal made by prosecutor Magalhaes e Meneses after a court refused him access to the content of the group's telephone messages.

Mr Meneses also asked for a full list of all the calls made between members of the McCann's holidaying group from when they arrived in Portugal on April 28 and when the McCann's left on September 9.

The Supreme Court has rejected the prosecutor's appeal against the ruling and the documents set out its reasons.

Mr Mitchell said Mr McCann had no knowledge of the texts referred to and received a handful of calls on his mobile in the days before his daughter disappeared.

A police reconstruction with the McCanns of the night their daughter vanished was cancelled earlier this week when their friends said they were unwilling to take part, the couple's spokesman confirmed yesterday.

The McCanns had been invited back to Praia da Luz to take part in a reconstruction along with the so-called "Tapas Seven'' -- the friends with whom they were dining the night Madeleine disappeared in May last year.

Mr Mitchell said the decision was taken by all of the couple's friends.

He said: "The friends had a number of serious questions about the value of the reconstruction and what it would do to help find Madeleine.

"After some discussion, they informed the Portuguese authorities that they did not intend to go back."

- Jack Doyle
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby isis » Fri May 30, 2008 1:18 pm

The McCanns had been invited back to Praia da Luz to take part in a reconstruction along with the so-called "Tapas Seven'' -- the friends with whom they were dining the night Madeleine disappeared in May last year.

Mr Mitchell said the decision was taken by all of the couple's friends.

He said: "The friends had a number of serious questions about the value of the reconstruction and what it would do to help find Madeleine.

"After some discussion, they informed the Portuguese authorities that they did not intend to go back."

- Jack Doyle
Thought Pinky didnt speak for the friends :roll: :roll:
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby weissnicht » Fri May 30, 2008 1:21 pm

"If there is any suggestion of neglect charges being considered that will be vigorously denied because the legal advice that Kate and Gerry have received, both in Portugal and Britain, is that legally speaking everything they were doing that week was well within the bounds of responsible parenting.''

I never, ever wan't to read this stupidity again :evil:
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby fedrules » Fri May 30, 2008 1:23 pm

So there is no indication that neglect charges(he avoids any reference to the more serious ones) will materialise but he welcomes the fact that 'abduction' one is being considered-contradictory and inconsistent again Clarence. :wink:
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby isis » Fri May 30, 2008 1:25 pm

weissnicht wrote:
"If there is any suggestion of neglect charges being considered that will be vigorously denied because the legal advice that Kate and Gerry have received, both in Portugal and Britain, is that legally speaking everything they were doing that week was well within the bounds of responsible parenting.''

I never, ever wan't to read this stupidity again :evil:

I know, i have a pain in my face from being blitzed with this, the defence against these pending charges are well prepared imo, this is why we are being bombarded with this c***.
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby Dawn64 » Fri May 30, 2008 1:26 pm

Whats the betting that the British press were pointed to this document by Clarissa?

Curious that official confirmation about crimes being investigated which has been available for weeks is printed by the British press just as the reconstruction is cancelled due to the Tapas refusal. The publication of it now is being used to make the gullible believe that the Tapas were justified in their suspiscions against the PJ reasons for the reconstruction!
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby blondie2 » Fri May 30, 2008 1:28 pm

Have pmed Isis regarding an article in the Evening Herald today which discusses possible homicide charges. There are no links for it. But Isis is trying to get hold of a copy and will type it out.

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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby pakeha2007 » Fri May 30, 2008 1:28 pm

Thanks for posting this, isis.
Poor Clarence Mitchell and his employer, mr Kennedy, will have a shock when they read that, contrary to what this 75,000 sterling a year spokesperson has said, it was 4, yes, 4 of the Tapas 7 who refused to go to Portugal for the reconstruction claiming they had to wash their hair, or whatever passes for a polite excuse amongst this group.
And that three of them, yes, three of them had no problem whatever with going back.
How is Clarence Mitchell going to justify his salary if he can't keep the story within SOME degree of coherency?
I wonder what mrs Healy thinks of all this dithering to comply with a request from the police invesetigating the disappearance of her granddaughter?
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby fedrules » Fri May 30, 2008 1:31 pm

'Kate and Gerry said Maddie was abducted and that is what happened'-sorry Clarence,but I think we need a little more evidence of an abduction than that,particularly in the face of evidence pointing to another explanation for Maddie's disappearance.
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby isis » Fri May 30, 2008 1:32 pm

pakeha2007 wrote:Thanks for posting this, isis.
Poor Clarence Mitchell and his employer, mr Kennedy, will have a shock when they read that, contrary to what this 75,000 sterling a year spokesperson has said, it was 4, yes, 4 of the Tapas 7 who refused to go to Portugal for the reconstruction claiming they had to wash their hair, or whatever passes for a polite excuse amongst this group.
And that three of them, yes, three of them had no problem whatever with going back.
How is Clarence Mitchell going to justify his salary if he can't keep the story within SOME degree of coherency?
I wonder what mrs Healy thinks of all this dithering to comply with a request from the police invesetigating the disappearance of her granddaughter?

Mr Mitchell said the decision was taken by all of the couple's friends.
yes pakeha, is clarrie fliffing his lines :lol:
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby isis » Fri May 30, 2008 1:36 pm

blondie2 wrote:Have pmed Isis regarding an article in the Evening Herald today which discusses possible homicide charges. There are no links for it. But Isis is trying to get hold of a copy and will type it out.

Ta Isis you are a star!

No Problem blondie, although it may be later as i have to do the domestic goddess bit for a while later ( outlaws coming round......... again :lol: :lol: )
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby Arguida » Fri May 30, 2008 2:57 pm

blondie2 wrote:Have pmed Isis regarding an article in the Evening Herald today which discusses possible homicide charges. There are no links for it. But Isis is trying to get hold of a copy and will type it out.

Ta Isis you are a star!

Hope it wasn't like the last evening herald article that was posted here and that did not appear to be actually published by the herald. Links to actual articles is better than copies typed out that may or may not have been actually published.
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby jjp » Fri May 30, 2008 3:00 pm

Arguida wrote:
blondie2 wrote:Have pmed Isis regarding an article in the Evening Herald today which discusses possible homicide charges. There are no links for it. But Isis is trying to get hold of a copy and will type it out.

Ta Isis you are a star!

Hope it wasn't like the last evening herald article that was posted here and that did not appear to be actually published by the herald. Links to actual articles is better than copies typed out that may or may not have been actually published.


Scans of articles are also very acceptable.
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby eric144 » Fri May 30, 2008 3:04 pm

I don't think a neglect prosecution would be successful against millionaire's lawyers. I'm also not sure of the legality of extradition to a court appearance for relatively minor charges.
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Re: Irish Independant 30/05/08

Postby Fenugreek » Fri May 30, 2008 3:07 pm

eric144 wrote:I don't think a neglect prosecution would be successful against millionaire's lawyers. I'm also not sure of the legality of extradition to a court appearance for relatively minor charges.


It isn't minor because it implies a death.
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