Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Madeleine Beth McCann went missing from PDL in Portugal on the 3rd May 2007, there are so many unanswered questions, please discuss

Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby Babylistener » Fri May 30, 2008 11:30 am

As was discussed extensively in the MF and here at the 3As that the McCanns and Tapas friends were in Chaplins on the night of 2nd May (the night that Madeleine said "mummy why didn't come when me and Sean were crying"). The MW staff had to go and get them because Mrs Fenn heard crying for nearly two hours from Apartment 5A. If the press ever had the b*lls to print this, which they should have done when the story got out about Madeleine crying, then surely the McCanns will loose all public support. This bit of info has been supressed very well, probably by Clarrie, because he knows that the McCann supporters will be leaving in their droves. It is about time that the "dining in your back garden" myth was showed up for the lie that it is and that the night before Madeleine was "abducted" they were getting lashed up in a bar almost 5 minutes down the road. Oh the backlash will be immense.
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby DCB » Fri May 30, 2008 11:33 am

But is it true that they went to Chaplins? Not one media article that says they did despite hundreds of reporters crawling all over PDL for months.
On Saturday we asked the Portuguese police if they had any objection to us coming back to the UK. We had assured them that we will continue to cooperate fully with the investigation and of course will return as requested and for our own emotional reasons.
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby isis » Fri May 30, 2008 11:36 am

If they went to chaplins , i would have expected a waiter or some staff to have told their story by now.
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby DCB » Fri May 30, 2008 11:38 am

isis wrote:If they went to chaplins , i would have expected a waiter or some staff to have told their story by now.


Yes, I am sure the press would have paid a nice sum for information like that.
On Saturday we asked the Portuguese police if they had any objection to us coming back to the UK. We had assured them that we will continue to cooperate fully with the investigation and of course will return as requested and for our own emotional reasons.
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby Babylistener » Fri May 30, 2008 11:41 am

I don't know if Chaplins is a fact, and even if someone wanted to give that as fact the media it won't print it. There isn't one media article that challenges Jane Tanners glaringly differing account of bundleman on the Panorama programme, or the locked/unlocked apartment from the McCanns either. Anything that is negative that needs questioning is never reported in the media - hmm I wonder why. :?:
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby DCB » Fri May 30, 2008 11:43 am

Babylistener wrote:I don't know if Chaplins is a fact, and even if someone wanted to give that as fact the media it won't print it. There isn't one media article that challenges Jane Tanners glaringly differing account of bundleman on the Panorama programme, or the locked/unlocked apartment from the McCanns either. Anything that is negative that needs questioning is never reported in the media - hmm I wonder why. :?:


I am sure the Express group at least would have printed it !
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby fedupwaiting » Fri May 30, 2008 11:43 am

I believe they did go to Chaplins and the reason that no one person has confirmed this is in my opinion because they are witnesses for the PJ.
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby Beattie » Fri May 30, 2008 11:45 am

Actually, I believe it was 1st May that Mrs Fenn heard Madeleine crying, according to reports.

If this is true, presumably the crying stopped and Madeleine fell asleep before her Parents
returned. That would explain the breakfast conversation "Mummy, why didn"t you come when
I cried".............yet the Parents still went out that night!!!!!!!! :roll: :roll:
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby Chox » Fri May 30, 2008 11:46 am

whoever said they would expect a waiter to have told their story by now....

are there not thousands of people who might have told their story by now?

the rubbish man to tell us they recycled.
the post man to say they gave a nice christmas tip.
the babysitters/nannys to say how loving they were to their kids.
the patients to say what lovely doctors they are.
the mechanics to say their cars were full of safety seats, bc they were so responsible.

yet none have spoken.
the media doesnt want their stories.

and THAT is the important part of this whole thing.

maddie is no more important than any other child dead or suffering at the hands of their caregivers.

but why your govt/media lies and obstructs, THAT is the question.
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby dogma » Fri May 30, 2008 11:48 am

fedupwaiting wrote:I believe they did go to Chaplins and the reason that no one person has confirmed this is in my opinion because they are witnesses for the PJ.


Fair point it may well be that the PJ dont want to show too many cards to the mccann legal defence....though Clarries' attempts at clarification when trying to re edit their stories has not been a great help to them !!
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby Babylistener » Fri May 30, 2008 11:52 am

Chox wrote:whoever said they would expect a waiter to have told their story by now....

are there not thousands of people who might have told their story by now?

the rubbish man to tell us they recycled.
the post man to say they gave a nice christmas tip.
the babysitters/nannys to say how loving they were to their kids.
the patients to say what lovely doctors they are.
the mechanics to say their cars were full of safety seats, bc they were so responsible.

yet none have spoken.
the media doesnt want their stories.

and THAT is the important part of this whole thing.

maddie is no more important than any other child dead or suffering at the hands of their caregivers.

but why your govt/media lies and obstructs, THAT is the question.


Exactly chox - if the media wanted dirt on the McCanns they could get it in a heartbeat, there is definitely a media block, who by is anyone's guess. We knew Karen Mathews life story in a matter of days. What makes the McCanns so special - they have serious backing in high places. This story is so much bigger than a little girl's disappearance.
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby DCB » Fri May 30, 2008 11:53 am

Babylistener wrote:
Chox wrote:whoever said they would expect a waiter to have told their story by now....

are there not thousands of people who might have told their story by now?

the rubbish man to tell us they recycled.
the post man to say they gave a nice christmas tip.
the babysitters/nannys to say how loving they were to their kids.
the patients to say what lovely doctors they are.
the mechanics to say their cars were full of safety seats, bc they were so responsible.

yet none have spoken.
the media doesnt want their stories.

and THAT is the important part of this whole thing.

maddie is no more important than any other child dead or suffering at the hands of their caregivers.

but why your govt/media lies and obstructs, THAT is the question.


Exactly chox - if the media wanted dirt on the McCanns they could get it in a heartbeat, there is definitely a media block, who by is anyone's guess. We knew Karen Mathews life story in a matter of days. What makes the McCanns so special - they have serious backing in high places. This story is so much bigger than a little girl's disappearance.


But what about the Portuguese press?
On Saturday we asked the Portuguese police if they had any objection to us coming back to the UK. We had assured them that we will continue to cooperate fully with the investigation and of course will return as requested and for our own emotional reasons.
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby BishopBrennan » Fri May 30, 2008 11:55 am

If a true story, then it's very bad news for the McCanns and a neglect charge. That may be the first time it comes out into the open. Of course what we don't know is whether all 9 went to Chaplins. I would anticipate a defence along the lines of 'only 6 / 7 went, and the one(s) left behind checked on the kids regularly'. PJ would then have to prove that all 9 were at the restaurant and that no-one left. Tricky to do perhaps?

But even so, the very fact of going to Chaplins (a good distance away) would help show that they had a pattern of leaving the kids unattended, and so will ultimately help the prosectution.
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Re: Is Chaplins ever going to surface in the media

Postby tylersmum » Fri May 30, 2008 11:59 am

It was reported in the Express who gave the date as May 1st .
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Postby veritas » Fri May 30, 2008 12:00 pm

It has been reported in the Independent in Ireland.

Independent.ie

Mystery remains: why was she left alone?

In a town where children are always welcome, the locals just can't accept the McCanns' actions on that fateful night, writes Carol Hunt from Praia da Luz

It Is almost a year since Madeleine McCann disappeared without trace from her family's apartment in the small seaside Portuguese town of Praia da Luz.

This weekend the holiday village is quiet and peaceful. The summer has arrived with warm winds and cloudless skies. The sunshine attracts visiting families and young Portuguese teenagers to the famously golden sandy beach. On the surface, things are back to normal; business as usual. However, just the mention of the name "Madeleine" leads to pursed lips, stiffened shoulders and attitudes of angry frustration from the locals.

This week the town is waiting nervously amid rumours that the Portuguese police plan to stage a re-enaction of the events of that night. The McCanns have spoken about their reservations at joining such an endeavour, natural enough for them under the circumstances as they are still official suspects in the case.

The locals, too, are undecided about the merit of such an undertaking. One tells me that the media circus which will inevitably follow such an event will drive away business. others admit that until there is some sort of resolution to the case, their small town will remain a place to be avoided by many holidaying families.

Many are suspicious of journalists and, though ready to chat, reluctant to give their names or anything else which can identify them.

Kelly's Irish Bar, three minutes' walk from the Mark Warner Complex where the McCanns stayed, is -- allegedly -- one of the places visited by Gerry and Kate McCann during their brief stay on the peninsula.

The manager, Mary, is a friendly native of Donegal who has lived in Portugal for the past 20 years. She describes how badly affected the town -- which relies on tourism -- was by Madeleine's disappearance.

"People just packed up and left. They cancelled their holidays and they will never come back. This was always considered to be a very, very safe place for children. I used to let my own boy -- now eight -- walk from here down the road to where his father worked at Chaplin's restaurant. Now, I'm terrified of letting him go anywhere on his own.

"Because there has been no conclusion, because nobody really knows what happened to Madeleine, people will continue to fear for their children. It's a dreadful situation for the town." Mary shares the incomprehension of the locals at the child-minding arrangements that the McCanns and their friends had in place.

"I bring my son everywhere," she tells me. "They could have brought their children with them to Chaplin's or wherever else they wanted to go. Or, even if they didn't want to use the complex's babysitting service, why on earth didn't they just do what you or I would do? Which is take turns minding them.

"People here just don't understand. It's a complete mystery to us."

Recently, details emerged that Madeleine had "scolded her parents" for leaving her and her siblings alone the night before she was abducted.

According to the TV station Telechino, the Portuguese police had taken a statement from Kate McCann soon after the kidnapping where she reportedly said that on the morning of May 3, Madeleine had asked, "Mummy, why didn't you come when we were crying last night?"

Kate McCann reportedly added: "Gerry and I agreed to keep a closer watch over the children."

The Portuguese locals believe that "keeping a closer watch over the children" meant that the McCanns and their friends stayed within the bounds of the complex, checking intermittently on the children -- one of whom (not a McCann) was ill -- when they met later that night, rather than heading to restaurants or bars outside.

Not just here in Luz, but everywhere, that news of the details of that night has travelled. There has been criticism of the McCanns for leaving three small children alone in a strange apartment while they socialised with friends.

"In Portugal, we absolutely adore children," said another local. "We just cannot get our heads around the fact that these small babies were on their own in a town where children are always welcome, no matter what time of night or day."

I tell her that in a documentary due to be screened this week on ITV, Kate McCann is understood to explain that they would have used a baby-listening service had one been available, but because there wasn't they decided instead to leave the children alone and make regular checks on them.

"There was a babysitting facility and an evening creche available, why didn't they use that," she asks.

I have no answer for her, being totally unable to comprehend the McCanns' actions with regard to the welfare of their children.

Some of the locals I spoke to, despite feeling frustrated with the actions of the McCanns, and the unwelcome media attention on their town, still felt sympathy with them for the terrible tragedy which had occurred.

Others are still angry at the way they feel the McCanns manipulated the media and demonised the Portuguese police and, by extension, the Portuguese people.

The collateral damage is everywhere. One Portuguese woman I meet, Mieke, is a close friend of Robert Murat, a man who remains a suspect in the case.

What she and Murat's other friends find very upsetting is the treatment meted out to Robert, whom -- they claim -- was initially asked by the Portuguese police to help them with the case.

"Robert is one of the most caring men I know," Mieke says. "His life has been ruined all because of a chance comment by a journalist. He has been treated like a criminal by the police. His business has been destroyed.

"In his job he would have had many English families as clients. What family would deal with a man who is officially suspected of kidnapping -- or worse -- a child of one of their compatriots?"

Mieke tells me that Murat has now decided to sue the Portuguese government as well as all the media outlets which ran stories against him.

"And I think he's right to do so. Unless they find Madeleine -- either dead or alive -- Robert's name will never be cleared, and there was never a shred of evidence against him in the first place."

One could also argue that both Gerry and Kate McCann -- official suspects who were subjected to intense interrogation -- are in a similar situation. And they also have the loss of a daughter to deal with.

Such a view gets little sympathy from Mieke and her friends.

They do not understand why the McCanns have not been punished for what they see as gross neglect of their children: "If you or I left a child repeatedly alone, social services would be called in."

Later that evening, I watch a fireworks display in the nearby town of Lagos. Despite the late hour -- it is past midnight -- the square is filled with young, excited children enjoying the festivities with their parents.

To the Portuguese people, the fact that the McCanns repeatedly left their much-loved Madeleine alone -- while they socialised with friends -- is just as much a mystery to them as her later disappearance.
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