24 Horas - 29/5/2008

Madeleine Beth McCann went missing from PDL in Portugal on the 3rd May 2007, there are so many unanswered questions, please discuss

Re: 24 Horas - 29/5/2008

Postby T4two » Thu May 29, 2008 10:41 pm

RstJ wrote:
sims2222 wrote:<...>
.....And what if bundleman was actually just that, a man with a bundle of sheets or covers, and a pair of pink pyjamas on his way to the launderette ...... don't want to bother the maids with tasks like this now.


More likely it's a parent hauling a sleeping kid back to a holiday apartment, just as Tanner initially thought.

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Except that apparently Tanner never left the Tapas and couldn't have seen anyone; which means bundleman is a lie and Smithman probably the only credible sighting.
... the kids were once again whisked off to the kid's club to give their parents another session of "me time".
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Re: 24 Horas - 29/5/2008

Postby RstJ » Thu May 29, 2008 10:45 pm

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Except that apparently Tanner never left the Tapas and couldn't have seen anyone; which means bundleman is a lie and Smithman probably the only credible sighting.


Well, there's a good reason to avoid a reconstruction...


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Re: 24 Horas - 29/5/2008

Postby potsy » Thu May 29, 2008 10:55 pm

weissnicht wrote:Thank you Li :D
According to testimonies collected by the PJ in the Tapas Bar, only Russel O'Brien and Gerry McCann left the restaurant during the 19,00 and the 22,00 hours the period that the authorities believe the child went missing.

And Tanner ??? :shock:


So, how did she see bundleman?
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Re: 24 Horas - 29/5/2008

Postby redsquare » Thu May 29, 2008 11:01 pm

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Yes, on other point, there does appear to have been some crisis time-management going on. That's what inclines me towards a 22:30 raising of the alarm, giving the group the maximum time to 'sort things out' and then subsequent attempts to reduce this time in order to make the 'window of opportunity' as small as possible.


I've never believed in any plot among the Tapas other than an agreement not to talk to the press formed both from PJ's "secrecy laws" and Gerry McCann's personal request. I don't doubt there was a space of time between raising the alarm inside the OC among the other Tapas and calling the police. Not sure what was going on. Looks like British LE was very curious about this space of time as well as they specifically requested witnesses to contact them who had been part of that initial search that took place before Portuguese police (probably GNR meant here) arrived.


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So, are you suggesting that Tanner's sighting was given in all innocence and came out of the blue for Gerry? That this was a remarkable stroke of luck?

It was reported that Gerry first found out about Tanner's sighting at 3:00am in the morning, when she gave a statement, with him present. I've always taken that with a pinch of salt believing that Gerry was there to ensure the record was set straight about the abduction but, if true, it would lend support to your theory.

That would be a remarkable stroke of luck but on such pieces of luck do crimes sometimes depend. Michael Sams and thick fog spring to mind but there are others.

But, if she wasn't on the streets that night - judging by rumour, unnamed witnesses and Jes Wilkins - why and where has her story come from, if not collaboration?
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Re: 24 Horas - 29/5/2008

Postby RstJ » Thu May 29, 2008 11:13 pm

redsquare wrote:So, are you suggesting that Tanner's sighting was given in all innocence and came out of the blue for Gerry? That this was a remarkable stroke of luck?


I'm suggesting that it wasn't given for Gerry's direct benefit. Keep asking if anyone's seen anything suspicious, and sooner or later, someone will decide that what they've seen must have some meaning. We see that all the time--someone offers up something as a possibility, and an hour later it's gospel. So Tanner initially says nothing, but after hearing Gerry wail around for a couple hours (and perhaps having got a little better sense of when Madeleine vanished) decides that yes, that person she saw must have been the abductor.

But, if she wasn't on the streets that night - judging by rumour, unnamed witnesses and Jes Wilkins - why and where has her story come from, if not collaboration?


The story was flimsy to begin with and didn't stand up to much scrutiny. But then again, it didn't have to--the McCanns were able to hang their entire campaign on it before anyone was able to find out if the times worked out.

Stories don't have to make sense. You just repeat them often enough (and suppress any dissent) and they become truth. Gerry needed an abductor, Tanner supplied one.

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Re: 24 Horas - 29/5/2008

Postby whoknowsthetruth » Thu May 29, 2008 11:37 pm

....between 19,00 and 22,00 hours the period that the authorities believe the child went missing.


Now that might explain a lot.

They say they all arrived at the Tapas between about 20:30 and 21:00. Then before 22:00, they had:

had a quiz
had dinner
drank a disputed volume of wine
checked on the children several times
chatted with the quiz lady
chatted with Jez Wilkins

Couldn't really fit all that in between 20:30 and 22:00, could you. But, if the start time was 19:00, And didn't check on the children, now it does fit a bit better.

No wonder four of the Tapas fear being charged with neglecting their children :!: :!:
"..the twins were still asleep in their two cots and there was the small, bright pink wool blanket that Madeleine likes to hold when she sleeps."
-Silvia Batisa. The Times May 6th 2007
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Re: 24 Horas - 29/5/2008

Postby sims2222 » Fri May 30, 2008 4:14 pm

T4two wrote:
RstJ wrote:
sims2222 wrote:<...>
.....And what if bundleman was actually just that, a man with a bundle of sheets or covers, and a pair of pink pyjamas on his way to the launderette ...... don't want to bother the maids with tasks like this now.


More likely it's a parent hauling a sleeping kid back to a holiday apartment, just as Tanner initially thought.

RstJ


Except that apparently Tanner never left the Tapas and couldn't have seen anyone; which means bundleman is a lie and Smithman probably the only credible sighting.



She didn't "see" bundleman but that doesn't mean she was not aware of bundleman, or who he was :wink: - but just in case anyone else did "see" bundleman she put out the story - the original story of seeing a man with a bundle. A 5'8" man, mind you. The egg head non descript 5'8" bundleman has morphed into a creepy lank haired buck toothed weirdo whilst the bundle has grown legs, which fits well with the bigger picture.
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