Kennedy's Approach to Murat (merged topic)

Madeleine Beth McCann went missing from PDL in Portugal on the 3rd May 2007, there are so many unanswered questions, please discuss

Kennedy's Approach to Murat (merged topic)

Postby polandguy » Sat May 03, 2008 11:10 am

From Li's translation of Jornal de Noticias today, viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11925:

McCanns after Murat

The McCanns look for answers in Robert Murat, they are convinced of his involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. The multimillionaire that supports the expenses with lawyers and the private detectives of the Spanish agency "M├®todo 3" went on purpose to Algarve to know the British.

Brian Kennedy offered to help him, although he was unable to explain how. Why? Why does he believe that Robert or his mother Jennifer might have seen someone on the night of 3rd of May in the area of the Ocean Club. He was prepared to pay to the best technicians to draw a photofit of a possible suspect. Saying one thing and then saying another he ended to say that Kate and Gerry believe that he is innocent and they never came publicly to accuse him but he insisted that Murat might remember some important detail to help them find Madeleine.

The JN knows that Murat did not accept the help of the multimillionaire. On the contrary he was upset with the questions that were made and with the insistence of the multimillionaire that wanted him to remember the night of the disappearance, when Murat always said that he spent the night in his mother's house, Jennifer, in Praia da Luz.

The meeting - a dinner that Brian Kennedy asked to be discreet and far away from the eyes of the press - took place in the end of last year at a house of Murat's relatives in Burgau (Vila do Bispo). At the dinner were present Murat and Kennedy, the respective lawyers, Jennifer Murat and the aunt and uncle of Murat.

After dinner was Brian Kennedy that finished the conversation. He could not explain why three friends of the couple, belonging to the group "Tapas 7" came publicly saying that they saw Robert Murat in the area of the Ocean Club in the night of 3 of May and he (Kennedy) ended to enter in contradiction.

Francisco Pagarete does not confirm this meeting but the JN knows that the PJ is aware and that they monitored the steps of Kennedy and the detectives of M├®todo 3 very closely. According to the lawyer one year after the disappearance of Maddie, Murat "still does not understand how his name was involved in the case". "Everything is very strange" says the lawyer regretting that " a person was involved in this story without having nothing to do with it".
http://jn.sapo.pt/2008/05/03/primeiro_p ... murat.html

I am staggered by this news. It is hugely significant in understanding the degree to which those who are supporting the McCanns would go in seeking to pervert the course of justice.

If I understand the article correctly, Kennedy met with Murat to try to persuade him to come up with an abductor sighting, plying him with promises of engaging top forensic "artists" to help him. Kennedy additionally plied Murat with claims that he could not understand why Murat had been fingered by the Tapas crew. The meeting came to nothing as a result of Murat's refusal to play along.

So what is going on? Remember that the number one priority of Team McCann is to maintain the pretence of an abduction, to which end ever more fantastic stories were being invented at this time. A Murat sighting would have given them one more "Muratman" to photofit and send out to the world's press, accompanied by an anguished press conference asking why the PJ were not energetically following up this crucial lead.

But is not Murat an Arguido, and could not his sighting be considered as a lame attempt to deflect attention from himself? Not if – as the story makes clear – Kennedy was hinting that the Tapas accusation was "mistaken". In other words, it seems Kennedy was offering Murat a deal: Team McCann would lift the cloud of suspicion hanging over him, indeed would come to his defence. Possibly the resources of the McCann lawyers, including Carter-Ruck themselves, would be placed at his disposal. The price for that was for Murat to come up with a sighting.

But just as Kennedy was offering Murat a carrot, so in the background he was wielding a big stick. Remember that Kennedy is also largely funding Metodo 3, the masters of disinformation, and also Clarence Mitchell, responsible for feeding Metodo 3 dirt to the British media. At this time, Murat was the target of vicious smears generated by the above-mentioned parties: Laffin Assasin has pointed out just one example of the media blitz against Murat at Christmas time.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 628332.ece

How interesting that this article - surely generated by the House of Clarrie - should be dated 28th December 2007, and by-lined from Praia da Luz. According to JN, the meeting between Murat and Kennedy "took place in the end of last year at a house of Murat's relatives", in Burgau, not a million miles from Praia da Luz. Either the article appeared in order to soften up Murat before the visit of the "helpful" Mr Kennedy, or was the vengeful reaction of Team McCann to Murat refusing to play ball. In either case, showing Murat what they are capable of doing to their enemies.

Had Murat caved in, facing such media pressure on the one hand and then miraculously offered salvation on the other, how would this have then been played to the public? I can write the script now for the appropriate Clarrie press conference:

"Kate and Gerry have reacted with great interest to the latest witness to come forward with a new sighting of the abductor who took Madeleine. Robert Murat has provided us with a description of man he saw from the window of his mother's kitchen on the night of the tragic events. This photofit picture, drawn by a renowned FBI artist, shows a dark, swarthy individual carrying a child and closely resembles the description given by other witnesses. We appeal to the Portuguese police to put all the resources at their disposal to find this man, and if necessary, eliminate him from their enquiries. We are concerned that this has not been happening with sufficient vigour.

"Gerry and Kate also wish to make it clear that they do not believe that Robert Murat has anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter. I am able to tell you now, that they have been able to meet Robert at a private location in the UK
[Clarrie does not mention, flown to the UK on Kennedy's private jet], and are satisfied of his innocence. They believe that he – like themselves – are the victims of a mistaken investigation by the Portuguese police, and are appealing to the PJ to lift Robert's Arguido status. They are anxious that he does not fall victim to the same terrible miscarriage of justice that they are facing, and that the attention of the Portuguese police be directed where it should be - to the search for Madeleine. As of today, Gerry, Kate and Robert stand shoulder-to-shoulder in demanding only one thing: that the Portuguese police redouble their efforts to find this missing child".

Presto! A new predator sighting with which to browbeat the PJ. Murat on their side, a solid front of arguidos against the bumbling Portuguese police. A credible witness statement from a man hitherto a favourite of the much-hated internet fora. And unsaid successes too: Murat now beholden to Kennedy and the McCanns, and able to be dropped back in it if he stepped out of line.

Luckily it didn't turn out that way, but it could have, had Kennedy had his way.
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby Fenugreek » Sat May 03, 2008 11:14 am

Polandguy, have you considered investing some of your admirable energy into discovering where the finance for Emma Loach's production company is coming from? :wink:
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby Finmental » Sat May 03, 2008 11:15 am

Kennedy needs scrutinizing....

thanks polandguy.
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby cushty » Sat May 03, 2008 11:16 am

astonishing indeed - just what is Kennedy up to, and more to the point, why?

there was a suggestion once that Murat acted as a 'spotter' for a paedophile gang

I am wondering if the story was to be that he remembered seeing or talking to someone who might have been part of such a gang, and that is how he came to be implicated?

I wonder too if Kennedy has ever been interviewed by the police
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby sally66 » Sat May 03, 2008 11:21 am

Stranger and stranger - If this is correct why would Kennedy attempt to pervert the course of justice for the K & G?

It can't be to cover himself as his profile in this is too high, he may be acting on behalf of someone else and logically it must be someone more powerful than him?
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby GoodForYou » Sat May 03, 2008 11:23 am

polandguy wrote:From Li's translation of Jornal de Noticias today:

McCanns after Murat

The McCanns look for answers in Robert Murat, they are convinced of his involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. The multimillionaire that supports the expenses with lawyers and the private detectives of the Spanish agency "M├®todo 3" went on purpose to Algarve to know the British.

Brian Kennedy offered to help him, although he was unable to explain how. Why? Why does he believe that Robert or his mother Jennifer might have seen someone on the night of 3rd of May in the area of the Ocean Club. He was prepared to pay to the best technicians to draw a photofit of a possible suspect. Saying one thing and then saying another he ended to say that Kate and Gerry believe that he is innocent and they never came publicly to accuse him but he insisted that Murat might remember some important detail to help them find Madeleine.

The JN knows that Murat did not accept the help of the multimillionaire. On the contrary he was upset with the questions that were made and with the insistence of the multimillionaire that wanted him to remember the night of the disappearance, when Murat always said that he spent the night in his mother's house, Jennifer, in Praia da Luz.

The meeting - a dinner that Brian Kennedy asked to be discreet and far away from the eyes of the press - took place in the end of last year at a house of Murat's relatives in Burgau (Vila do Bispo). At the dinner were present Murat and Kennedy, the respective lawyers, Jennifer Murat and the aunt and uncle of Murat.

After dinner was Brian Kennedy that finished the conversation. He could not explain why three friends of the couple, belonging to the group "Tapas 7" came publicly saying that they saw Robert Murat in the area of the Ocean Club in the night of 3 of May and he (Kennedy) ended to enter in contradiction.

Francisco Pagarete does not confirm this meeting but the JN knows that the PJ is aware and that they monitored the steps of Kennedy and the detectives of M├®todo 3 very closely. According to the lawyer one year after the disappearance of Maddie, Murat "still does not understand how his name was involved in the case". "Everything is very strange" says the lawyer regretting that " a person was involved in this story without having nothing to do with it".
http://jn.sapo.pt/2008/05/03/primeiro_p ... murat.html

I am staggered by this news. It is hugely significant in understanding the mentality of those behind the McCanns.

If I understand the article correctly, Kennedy met with Murat to try to persuade him to come up with an abductor sighting, plying him with promises of engaging top forensic "artists" to help him. Kennedy additionally plied Murat with claims that he could not understand why Murat had been fingered by the Tapas crew. The meeting came to nothing as a result of Murat's refusal to play along.

So what is going on? Remember that the number one priority of Team McCann is to maintain the pretence of an abduction, to which end ever more fantastic stories were being played out at this time. A Murat sighting would have given them one more "Muratman" to photofit and send out to the world's press, accompanied by an anguished press conference asking why the PJ were not energetically following up this crucial lead.

But is not Murat an Arguido, and could not his sighting be considered as a lame attempt to deflect attention from himself? Not if – as the story makes clear – Kennedy was hinting that the Tapas accusation was "mistaken". In other words, it seems Kennedy was offering Murat a deal: Team McCann will lift the cloud of suspicion hanging over you, indeed will come to your defence. Possibly the resources of the McCann lawyers would be placed at his disposal. The price for that was for Murat to come up with a sighting.

So, how would this have been played? I can write the script now for the appropriate Clarrie press conference.

"Kate and Gerry have reacted with great interest to the latest witness to come forward with a new sighting of the abductor who took Madeleine. Robert Murat has provided us with a description of man he saw from the window of his mother's kitchen on the night of the tragic events. This photofit picture, drawn by a renowned FBI artist, shows a dark, swarthy individual carrying a child and closely resembles the description given by other witnesses. We appeal to the Portuguese police to put all the resources at their disposal to find this man, and if necessary, eliminate him from their enquiries. We are concerned that this has not been happening with sufficient vigour.

"Gerry and Kate also wish to make it clear that they do not believe that Robert Murat has anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter. I am able to tell you now, that they have been able to meet Robert at a private location in the UK [Clarrie does not mention, flown to the UK on Kennedy's private jet], and are satisfied of his innocence. They believe that he – like themselves – are the victims of a mistaken investigation by the Portuguese police, and are appealing to the PJ to lift Robert's Arguido status. They are anxious that he does not fall victim to the same terrible miscarriage of justice that they are facing, and that the attention of the Portuguese police be directed where it should be - to the search for Madeleine".

Presto! A new Madeleine sighting with which to browbeat the PJ. Murat on their side, a solid front of arguidos against the bumbling police. A credible witness sighting from a man hitherto a favourite of the much-hated internet fora. And unsaid successes too: Murat now beholden to Kennedy and the McCanns, and able to be dropped back in it if he stepped out of line.

Luckily it didn't turn out that way, but it could have, had Kennedy had his way.


Yes, your scenario would not surprise me one bit.

This investigation is being undermined by the McCanns ability to get to witnesses or by creating potential new witnesses with inducements. How can this be allowed?
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby mexx » Sat May 03, 2008 11:24 am

polandguy wrote:From Li's translation of Jornal de Noticias today:

McCanns after Murat

The McCanns look for answers in Robert Murat, they are convinced of his involvement in the disappearance of their daughter. The multimillionaire that supports the expenses with lawyers and the private detectives of the Spanish agency "M├®todo 3" went on purpose to Algarve to know the British.

Brian Kennedy offered to help him, although he was unable to explain how. Why? Why does he believe that Robert or his mother Jennifer might have seen someone on the night of 3rd of May in the area of the Ocean Club. He was prepared to pay to the best technicians to draw a photofit of a possible suspect. Saying one thing and then saying another he ended to say that Kate and Gerry believe that he is innocent and they never came publicly to accuse him but he insisted that Murat might remember some important detail to help them find Madeleine.

The JN knows that Murat did not accept the help of the multimillionaire. On the contrary he was upset with the questions that were made and with the insistence of the multimillionaire that wanted him to remember the night of the disappearance, when Murat always said that he spent the night in his mother's house, Jennifer, in Praia da Luz.

The meeting - a dinner that Brian Kennedy asked to be discreet and far away from the eyes of the press - took place in the end of last year at a house of Murat's relatives in Burgau (Vila do Bispo). At the dinner were present Murat and Kennedy, the respective lawyers, Jennifer Murat and the aunt and uncle of Murat.

After dinner was Brian Kennedy that finished the conversation. He could not explain why three friends of the couple, belonging to the group "Tapas 7" came publicly saying that they saw Robert Murat in the area of the Ocean Club in the night of 3 of May and he (Kennedy) ended to enter in contradiction.

Francisco Pagarete does not confirm this meeting but the JN knows that the PJ is aware and that they monitored the steps of Kennedy and the detectives of M├®todo 3 very closely. According to the lawyer one year after the disappearance of Maddie, Murat "still does not understand how his name was involved in the case". "Everything is very strange" says the lawyer regretting that " a person was involved in this story without having nothing to do with it".
http://jn.sapo.pt/2008/05/03/primeiro_p ... murat.html

I am staggered by this news. It is hugely significant in understanding the mentality of those behind the McCanns.

If I understand the article correctly, Kennedy met with Murat to try to persuade him to come up with an abductor sighting, plying him with promises of engaging top forensic "artists" to help him. Kennedy additionally plied Murat with claims that he could not understand why Murat had been fingered by the Tapas crew. The meeting came to nothing as a result of Murat's refusal to play along.

So what is going on? Remember that the number one priority of Team McCann is to maintain the pretence of an abduction, to which end ever more fantastic stories were being played out at this time. A Murat sighting would have given them one more "Muratman" to photofit and send out to the world's press, accompanied by an anguished press conference asking why the PJ were not energetically following up this crucial lead.

But is not Murat an Arguido, and could not his sighting be considered as a lame attempt to deflect attention from himself? Not if – as the story makes clear – Kennedy was hinting that the Tapas accusation was "mistaken". In other words, it seems Kennedy was offering Murat a deal: Team McCann will lift the cloud of suspicion hanging over you, indeed will come to your defence. Possibly the resources of the McCann lawyers would be placed at his disposal. The price for that was for Murat to come up with a sighting.

So, how would this have been played? I can write the script now for the appropriate Clarrie press conference.

"Kate and Gerry have reacted with great interest to the latest witness to come forward with a new sighting of the abductor who took Madeleine. Robert Murat has provided us with a description of man he saw from the window of his mother's kitchen on the night of the tragic events. This photofit picture, drawn by a renowned FBI artist, shows a dark, swarthy individual carrying a child and closely resembles the description given by other witnesses. We appeal to the Portuguese police to put all the resources at their disposal to find this man, and if necessary, eliminate him from their enquiries. We are concerned that this has not been happening with sufficient vigour.

"Gerry and Kate also wish to make it clear that they do not believe that Robert Murat has anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter. I am able to tell you now, that they have been able to meet Robert at a private location in the UK [Clarrie does not mention, flown to the UK on Kennedy's private jet], and are satisfied of his innocence. They believe that he – like themselves – are the victims of a mistaken investigation by the Portuguese police, and are appealing to the PJ to lift Robert's Arguido status. They are anxious that he does not fall victim to the same terrible miscarriage of justice that they are facing, and that the attention of the Portuguese police be directed where it should be - to the search for Madeleine".

Presto! A new Madeleine sighting with which to browbeat the PJ. Murat on their side, a solid front of arguidos against the bumbling police. A credible witness sighting from a man hitherto a favourite of the much-hated internet fora. And unsaid successes too: Murat now beholden to Kennedy and the McCanns, and able to be dropped back in it if he stepped out of line.

Luckily it didn't turn out that way, but it could have, had Kennedy had his way.



Polandguy:

Absolutely spot on analysis imo
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby sherlock » Sat May 03, 2008 11:25 am

If this is true then it is explosive it puts all the tapas in deep doodoo as one from each family went to portugal to incriminate Murat-I always thought that it was very ,convenient that one from each pair had spotted Robert, from that moment on in typical mafioso style their loyalty was proven and they were tied to team mccann forever. If true-one eye on the libel lawyers- IF IT IS TRUE -then it would also explain why they suddenly backed off Murat- maybe in addition to the threat of legal action Roberts lawyer threatened to make the meeting public if team mccann didnt backoff and leave him and his girlfriend alone -it would be very interesting to know the date of this alleged dinner-it is such a whopping error of judgement I am struggling to believe it-maybe another red herring to make us look foolish
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby BishopBrennan » Sat May 03, 2008 11:30 am

An incredible article, and an excellent piece of analysis from polandguy. If verifiable, it would make a great story in the UK press. Be worth sending it to them perhaps? Gaunt at the Sun seems the most appropriate.
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby sherlock » Sat May 03, 2008 11:31 am

BUMP for polandguy-this is the most important breaking news for weeks IMO
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby scylla » Sat May 03, 2008 11:37 am

sherlock, according to reports in the Daily Express, Gerry called for people to cease the speculation about Murat's possible guilt on the same day it was announced that Murat had been in contact with Max Clifford.

polandguy, I think you're correct. If this report is correct, it shows how underhanded and unscrupulous at least certain members of Team McCann are.
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby Scribbler » Sat May 03, 2008 11:42 am

is it absolutely certain that Brian Kennedy, the double-glazing mogul :) is no relation to Kate McCann?
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby telegram1 » Sat May 03, 2008 11:43 am

This gets more shadier by the minute. A very explosive piece of news there. I wonder if this will be in all the UK Sunday papers tomorrow or just confined to the portuguese papers. The McCanns are getting absolutely desperate now, just how much further are they going to go. They really are getting themselves into a deeper and deeper mess when all they needed to do right at the beginning was tell the truth. It is going to be far worse for them now than it would have been if they had just came clean right from the start.
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby anti-PhiloPastry » Sat May 03, 2008 11:46 am

So, what exactly is Kennedy's motive for trying to interfere in an ongoing investigation into a death (allegedly) of a child?
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Re: Kennedy's Approach to Murat

Postby pensive1 » Sat May 03, 2008 11:47 am

polandguy,

A very nice piece of work indeed. Regards and respect.
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